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Legacy of the fraudulent referendum

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varian Sat 29-Jan-22 19:18:39

The Brexit fantasy was never deliverable – voters fell for a confidence trick

Michael Heseltine

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-boris-johnson-lies-europe-b1990960.html

GillT57 Mon 31-Jan-22 13:51:59

What kind of red tape would you like to see trashed?

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 13:50:08

No, I don’t think sensible safety guidelines will be trashed. But too much red tape that isn’t applicable to our UK needs? Yes. I think that’s sensible.

GillT57 Mon 31-Jan-22 13:49:20

Suella Braverman is a party stooge. By a miraculous coincidence, she took silk, ie became a QC on the very same day that she was appointed Attorney General. Previously chair of the ERG who argued that it was time to 'take control of the judiciary'. Fills me with confidence.

GillT57 Mon 31-Jan-22 13:38:03

My biggest problem is in believing anything the liar in chief says. So far, as Coolcoco said, the only regulations that have been lifted are those preventing farmers from using pesticides to kill bees and water companies to flood the waterways with sh*t. Loving it so far. So, what next? Getting rid of the pesky EU safety mark presumably so that we know we are buying safe toys, electrical equipment? Blue flag marks for beaches?

growstuff Mon 31-Jan-22 13:34:26

Urmstongran

No matter really whether you rate Suella or not. This is going to be a cross party consultation. The ‘ernest’ Keir Starmer will have input. That should reassure the doubters.

Do you have a source that this is a cross-party consultation? The only information I can find is that a bill is about to be introduced. Braverman is acting as spokesperson - and, yes, it does matter whether people rate her.

CoolCoco Mon 31-Jan-22 13:32:17

And we were promised lower food prices...
and protecting the fishing industry
and a boom for farmers
and taking control of our borders
and no border in the Irish sea...

its all going so well haha

never mind we've got rid of those EU regulations on clean waterways and bee killing pesticides...

MayBee70 Mon 31-Jan-22 13:24:57

Oh and brexit promised reducing VAT on fuel…..

MayBee70 Mon 31-Jan-22 13:24:27

He’s only making announcements like this because people are finally starting to ask what happened to the promised 350 million. And why NI is going up to pay for the NHS.

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 12:53:04

Goodness there are a lot of Eeyores on this thread. ?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 31-Jan-22 11:31:36

Nothing will come of todays announcements.

Nothing ever does

MayBeMaw Mon 31-Jan-22 11:05:18

Never underestimate its importance

Alegrias1 Mon 31-Jan-22 11:03:46

It's Important to Be Earnest.

Coastpath Mon 31-Jan-22 10:57:19

Being earnest is a good thing.

Coastpath Mon 31-Jan-22 10:55:44

Having considered all previous evidence it is impossible to be reassured when Boris Johnson promises something/anything and adds 'details yet to be provided'.

Alegrias1 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:52:50

It did not specify the provisions in the bill or how it calculated the claim that businesses would save £1bn through the cutting of red tape.

The prime minister said the government's bill would "further unleash the benefits of Brexit and ensure that businesses can spend more of their money investing, innovating and creating jobs".

A source said that a meeting between the Attorney General Suella Braverman and devolved ministers on Saturday was "last-minute, fractious, and cack-handed".

Unleashing. That's what we need, more unleashing of non-existent benefits.

Don't know about you lot, but I'm convinced.

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 10:47:56

No matter really whether you rate Suella or not. This is going to be a cross party consultation. The ‘ernest’ Keir Starmer will have input. That should reassure the doubters.

MayBee70 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:43:53

I don’t trust Suella as far as I can throw her. I wonder if Dominic Grieve agrees with her? Now, if he had said it I would sit up and take notice. Didn’t she try to defend Johnson recently in one of his attempts to undermine the rule of law

Coastpath Mon 31-Jan-22 10:43:13

European Union-era red tape that can be removed =
Protections for workers, the environment, animals.

European Union-era red tape that can't be removed =
VAT on energy bills.

Alegrias1 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:43:08

Urmstongran

Cynical MayBee. ?

This, from Stella Braverman MP Attorney General:

“The Brexit Freedoms Bill, announced today, will remove, once and for all, the special status and supremacy of EU law within the UK legal system. It will also make it easier to remove or amend EU law: reflecting the sheer volume of law that needs to be changed, and the underlying lack of democratic legitimacy in the way these came on to the UK statute book. We will work with Parliament on how to frame such a power and ensure its use has the appropriate levels of parliamentary scrutiny.”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60191402

Suella.

Not a universally popular measure.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:41:43

Urmstongran

Cynical MayBee. ?

This, from Stella Braverman MP Attorney General:

“The Brexit Freedoms Bill, announced today, will remove, once and for all, the special status and supremacy of EU law within the UK legal system. It will also make it easier to remove or amend EU law: reflecting the sheer volume of law that needs to be changed, and the underlying lack of democratic legitimacy in the way these came on to the UK statute book. We will work with Parliament on how to frame such a power and ensure its use has the appropriate levels of parliamentary scrutiny.”

That is nonsense of course. Someone came on R4 wittering about the EU tampon tax.

That amongst so much was always a total lie and still is.

People believe anything it seems to me.

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 10:41:18

I disagree Greta and MayBee. Many UK laws were already superior. Maternity leave off the top of my head. I could Google more I’m sure. But I can’t be bothered.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:38:42

I’ve posted on the wrong thread really, so I will re-post it on here.

LBC Nick Ferrari - right wing journalist.

Asked for people to phone in with the benefits that they are feeling from Brexit.

The programme was on from 7am to 10am.

Not a SINGLE benefit was phoned in.

Brexit isn’t working.

Greta Mon 31-Jan-22 10:38:28

I think we can be pretty sure that is the case, Maybee70.

Urmstongran Mon 31-Jan-22 10:37:48

Cynical MayBee. ?

This, from Stella Braverman MP Attorney General:

“The Brexit Freedoms Bill, announced today, will remove, once and for all, the special status and supremacy of EU law within the UK legal system. It will also make it easier to remove or amend EU law: reflecting the sheer volume of law that needs to be changed, and the underlying lack of democratic legitimacy in the way these came on to the UK statute book. We will work with Parliament on how to frame such a power and ensure its use has the appropriate levels of parliamentary scrutiny.”

MayBee70 Mon 31-Jan-22 10:34:33

Wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of those bills are in place to protect us in some way but are costing Johnson’s rich cronies money.