Legacy of the fraudulent referendum

Have you been down the curry mile in Manchester Alegiras?
Not a woman to be seen in those restaurants.
At home - with the kids.
Most don’t speak English. Some do, of course. Grandmothers?
Not so much.

Urmstongran

vegansrock

People commenting on Asians in the U.K. speaking their own language and living in cultural enclaves might remember that the British did exactly the same when they colonised their countries.

Totally get that vegansrock. Like attracts like of course.
But in the West, women are allowed out on their own
To shop.
To work.
Muslim men won’t allow their womenfolk that choice. No wonder their children, brought up in the West with all its freedoms, struggle because of medieval constraints at home.

Urmstongran you really can't make a sweeping statement like that about Muslims. Islam is a huge faith which covers many countries and some have different customs to others. Many British Muslim women live independent and free lives. Some choose to wear the hijab some don't, but it is just that a choice. Just like Chritianity it is practised in many different ways.

I have no problem with people not being able to learn a language Urmstongran. I can't draw. Never been any good at sports whatsoever. Some of us are able to do things other people can't.

But holding it up as a virtue because other people are lucky enough to be able to practice their English? Nah, not on.

Professional Muslim men don’t seem to mind integration.
‘Blue collar’ Muslim men? Hell, no.

My good friend, a grandmother, is a retired economist. Born in the subcontinent, lived here for decades, never worn a hijab or any other form of religious dress.

Oh, did I mention? She's a Muslim. Like her husband.

You don't even know when you're being offensive, Urmstongran. Stop trying to squirm out of it.

Urmstongran

Have you been down the curry mile in Manchester Alegiras?
Not a woman to be seen in those restaurants.
At home - with the kids.
Most don’t speak English. Some do, of course. Grandmothers?
Not so much.

That's very odd. Curry is largely an Indian or Pakistani dish. And while most Pakistanis are Muslim most Indians are Hindu.So it's difficult to see how the Muslim rule applies.
We have a cupls of very nice Lebanese restaurants which always seem to have large family groups in them.

Urmstongran

Professional Muslim men don’t seem to mind integration.
‘Blue collar’ Muslim men? Hell, no.

What a disgusting comment. I lived in Leicester for nearly 35 years, and this is truly shocking.

Alegrias, other non British speakers are not categorised into 'good at languages or not' - they have to learn, to get on, to succeed, and they do. Like 90% + of the Dutch, be they scientists or 'linguists'. We are not talking here about accurate use of complicated forms of grammar, but communication, warts and all. Only Anglo-Saxons will use 'I am not good at languages issues'. In many European countries, some University courses are now taught only in English even.

When I went on holiday to Tunisia the guide who took us round historic sites linked with Muslim sciences and history insisted that the veil and coverings worn by some women had no place in Tunisian culture. They were he said Immigrants.

I never said it was a virtue Alegrias.
Stop putting words in my mouth.

I’d love to be able to speak Spanish fluently! I’ve tried Duolingo for months.
I’m okay with food and drink.
Himself is better than me. He can manage numbers, directions, telling the time, left, right, etc.
I struggle.
I’m not proud of it. I can only try my best.

... we seem to have diverged from the OP’s topic.
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Alegrias, other non British speakers are not categorised into 'good at languages or not' - they have to learn, to get on, to succeed, and they do. Like 90% + of the Dutch, be they scientists or 'linguists'. We are not talking here about accurate use of complicated forms of grammar, but communication, warts and all. Only Anglo-Saxons will use 'I am not good at languages issues'.

I agree Kali2. I taught English to graduate engineers in France. But I was trying to be reasonable. Don't know why I bothered.

Urmstongran a holiday home is a fabulous thing to have, enjoy every hour and make memories for your family.

Kali2 we are pensioners, spending our disposable income for our enjoyment. And helping to fill the Spanish tills. We do our best.

We don’t want to take their jobs. Nor benefit from their healthcare system without paying for it. We do not (at our advanced age) ‘need to succeed’. Yes, this would apply to people of working age in Europe but us? No.

Thank you GG13.
Goodness, I feel ‘got at’ yet again. ?

I expect people who practice the Muslim religion are feeling pretty got at at the moment.

trisher

When I went on holiday to Tunisia the guide who took us round historic sites linked with Muslim sciences and history insisted that the veil and coverings worn by some women had no place in Tunisian culture. They were he said Immigrants.

Good point trisher. Well said.
The burka is a man-made construct. It’s all about CONTROL by men of their womenfolk.

Professional Muslim women I know and am friends with, (GPs, hospital Registrars) abhor it and mock it.

I diverse.
I must try to keep on track ...

Urmstongran

Kali2 we are pensioners, spending our disposable income for our enjoyment. And helping to fill the Spanish tills. We do our best.

We don’t want to take their jobs. Nor benefit from their healthcare system without paying for it. We do not (at our advanced age) ‘need to succeed’. Yes, this would apply to people of working age in Europe but us? No.

No concern of mine. I would have never ever mentionned this if the 'Boston' comment had not been made. The point being, why is it perceived as 'wrong' when it 'them that do it'- but not 't'other way round.

EVen if you don't need to 'succeed' - it is a question of respect, so glad to hear you do your best.

Yes, Alegrias they do, and no surprise.

Not all Alegiras but if the cap fits ...

I really do try Kali2 thank you for acknowledging that.

CoolCoco

English Language schools in the UK have been hit hard by Covid and now by Brexit - French, German and Italian students are more frequently going to language schools in Dublin for English tuition - its cheaper, they accept ID cards and no mucking around with visa etc.

On the other hand, only this week this was in the headlines:
Le V.I.E, une solution pour venir travailler au Royaume-Uni malgré le Brexit.
A large number of French 18 - 28 year olds are expected to register, visas no problem. They want to come to London, not Dublin and have found a way to do so.

Very interesting Josieann. Good to know.

In Bristol

22% of residents are not 'White British'.
45 different religions are practiced
187 countries of birth represented
At least 91 main languages are spoken (Polish being the second most spoken language after English)
and
only 0.2% of Bristol residents don't speak English.

Isn't that brilliant! I love Bristol.

I think you’ll find all UK cities with universities are the same as Bristol Coastalpath. I justGoogled it.

Do you mean that they are multicultural, diverse and inclusive? If so that's great isn't it.

Ah well- just heard quite a rude joke- but I have to share.

Truss- a device to support bollocks. Night night.

Well, sorry, but that's not true and not terribly funny.

A truss is worn to keep a hernia in place whilst waiting for an operation. I am assured that it's not pleasant.