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As if there isn't enough evidence that Johnson is unfit for office

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GillT57 Sun 30-Jan-22 13:51:34

Now we read reports that senior civil servants and ministers were having to insist that Johnson works from the office and not from home due to red boxes, many of them full of highly sensitive information, laying about in the Downing Street flat, open for all to see including Carrie's pals and friends who were frequent visitors. It has been described as a 'Frat house atmosphere', with people in and out.

FannyCornforth Sun 30-Jan-22 13:56:59

It’s all beneath him, isn’t it?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:03:18

I did begin to think that there might actually be one day with Johnson being embroiled in yet another scandal..wrong!
….two scandals, admittedly at the end of the day, secret papers left lying around and Carrie's friends given the No. 10 access code.

MaizieD Sun 30-Jan-22 14:10:02

Wasn't it reported quite early in his PMship that Cummings directed civil servants that briefings for the Red Box had to be no more than 1 side of A4 (or maybe it was half a side) else he wouldn't read them?

FannyCornforth Sun 30-Jan-22 14:18:15

FannyCornforth

It’s all beneath him, isn’t it?

Beneath him, yet, beyond him

Apologies for quoting myself, but I do think that this is at the root of all of his problems.

He believes that he is terribly bright and quite the thing, yet in reality is a total f** wit.

Dickens Sun 30-Jan-22 14:24:11

MaizieD

Wasn't it reported quite early in his PMship that Cummings directed civil servants that briefings for the Red Box had to be no more than 1 side of A4 (or maybe it was half a side) else he wouldn't read them?

... I thought his max attention span went to 2 pages of A4, could be wrong.

Regardless, he doesn't "do" details. And this is plainly obvious when he has to speak at length on any issue. He appears confused, says "um", "ah", "er" "ter" (which is the way he pronounces "to") whilst his brain gets the cog wheels aligned and he manages a complete sentence.

I wonder how the real-time translation app will translate his comments to Putin during the 'phone call...

paddyann54 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:26:02

But but bit ,he's doing his best! No body else would have done better with Brexit and covid ...and he did a marvellous job with the vaccines.( did he do every one himself?) If I hear anyone else saying this or see it written down I'll scream.Of course its usually followed by imagine how much worse it woule have bee if it had been Corbyn!! I'd guess Corbyn wouldn't have handed out billions to his pals or have so much useless PPE sitting in storage costing a million pounds a Day ..and I'M NOT A LABOUR SUPPORTER .

FannyCornforth Sun 30-Jan-22 14:29:08

Paddyann why on earth not?
I wasn’t before, but have recently joined The Labour Party.
It is the least that I can do

growstuff Sun 30-Jan-22 14:32:36

The words of my father whenever I tried to make excuses ring in my ears:

"Your best isn't good enough! Time you bucked up!"

JaneJudge Sun 30-Jan-22 14:34:47

he sounds like a child, wtf is wrong with him - she doesn't sound much better but she isn't running the country

surely all this covered during developed checking? hmm or is the PM exempt?

GillT57 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:35:15

Many of Carrie's pals are journalists; Allegra Stratton (married to James Forsyth, political editor of The Spectator) for example. Surely there is a security risk here or are the senior staff so used to this situation that they send the lying old fool out with a hard hat somewhere he can't do any harm?

EllanVannin Sun 30-Jan-22 14:35:43

Well, he had his 5 minutes of " fame" in 2016 when the masses voted for Brexit----his way of getting into power. ( rolls eyes )
Nobody listened or saw the ulterior motive !! I did because I KNEW he was a Remainer. Talk about bluffing your way through. I don't like people who use bluff !

GillT57 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:39:15

FannyCornforth

Paddyann why on earth not?
I wasn’t before, but have recently joined The Labour Party.
It is the least that I can do

well I have never been a member of the Labour party, and haven't even voted for them on some occasions, but I am so desperate to get rid of this corrupt, thieving cabinet that I plan on joining the LP. I acknowledge there are decent Tory MPs, and like with the many decent serving officers in the Met Police, they must not all be damned by the senior team, but this cabinet, headed by Johnson is doing dreadful damage to this country and must be stopped.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:44:22

We also know that Johnson has had Russian friends.

He has totally played fast and loose with Britain's security.

JaneJudge Sun 30-Jan-22 14:44:38

GillT57

Many of Carrie's pals are journalists; Allegra Stratton (married to James Forsyth, political editor of The Spectator) for example. Surely there is a security risk here or are the senior staff so used to this situation that they send the lying old fool out with a hard hat somewhere he can't do any harm?

Surely people who work for government agencies or the MoD who are DV security cleared know very well what they can and cannot share? I am REALLY confused as to how this has been allowed to happen or continue confused

Petera Sun 30-Jan-22 14:46:15

FannyCornforth

FannyCornforth

It’s all beneath him, isn’t it?

Beneath him, yet, beyond him

Apologies for quoting myself, but I do think that this is at the root of all of his problems.

He believes that he is terribly bright and quite the thing, yet in reality is a total f** wit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Alegrias1 Sun 30-Jan-22 14:46:27

FannyCornforth

Paddyann why on earth not?
I wasn’t before, but have recently joined The Labour Party.
It is the least that I can do

The Labour Party, The Conservative Party...

Other options are available wink

Petera Sun 30-Jan-22 14:52:36

The Incompetence Opera

GillT57 Sun 30-Jan-22 15:03:34

Petera

The Incompetence Opera

grin grin

FannyCornforth Mon 31-Jan-22 09:13:02

I know that ‘other options are available’ Alegrias
I’m not a flag waving fan of Labour, but I do believe that they have got the best chance of getting shut of the present lot.

Alegrias1 Mon 31-Jan-22 09:14:40

In England.

We've found our own way of keeping the Tories out of power in Scotland.

FannyCornforth Mon 31-Jan-22 09:16:22

Petera thank you, I didn’t know that it was called the Dunning Kruger Effect, but I have seen it in action with primary school children.
When I’ve asked a cohort of children ‘who can tell the time?’;
all of the kids who think that they can can’t, and those who think they can’t can smile

FannyCornforth Mon 31-Jan-22 09:18:43

Alegrias1

In England.

We've found our own way of keeping the Tories out of power in Scotland.

Sorry Al, yes of course smile
Lucky you ???????

I apologise for my Sassanachcentricity (that took some typing!)

Alegrias1 Mon 31-Jan-22 09:22:33

Good word. Can I borrow it? grin

FannyCornforth Mon 31-Jan-22 09:23:15

Yes please -take it!