Why now???

nanna8

Aviation larva- what you catch on a plane? ✈️

I thought that it might be an immature form of air travel; something like this

Aviation larva- what you catch on a plane? ✈️

MayBee70

….I think aviation larva is a classic, though….

It’s the poster AviaParva
It is brilliant though

….I think aviation larva is a classic, though….

MayBeMaw

^Aviation larva. I agree with much of what you say^
Where did that come from?.

Auto correct strikes again! Just where do these words come from? Sometimes I go to click post only to spot something totally bonkers and what’s worse is that I often question my own sanity and worry that I did actually write it!

Aviation larva. I agree with much of what you say
Where did that come from?.

Why Now? It could even be to divert the eyes and ears away from something bigger that is going on in the country, that we don't yet know about.

Ginny -
It's irrelevant how long ago their parties occurred, it's about their total lack of decency, honesty and empathy with those who have suffered and the many who died from covid and their families, and those of us who endured the restrictions and obeyed their rules.
Exactly.

Coastpath

I can swear that I didn't celebrate anything. Several key family and friend life events went unmarked.

Neither did we and I never saw a very elderly relative again after we cancelled a trip out the week before we officially locked down.
I've not seen some of my family for nearly three years (not just those overseas).

At least Boris and Co celebrated my special birthday.

Aviation larva. I agree with much of what you say.

And I do believe the timing is relevant. Some individual / group / organisation has cynically , knowingly and deliberately sat on this news and, for whatever reason, bided their time until now. This appalling behaviour could have been stopped over a year ago. The wrongdoers dealt with, with a tiny fraction of the distress and anger it has caused. And BJ and his government allowed to get on with their jobs. But NO. It suited somebody to lay low, keep quiet and bide their time, then , just as things were turning a corner, the country was recovering physically and economically and people,e were beginning
To have hope that Covid may be in retreat and life could get back to normal. BOOM! The timing of this is not a coincidence.

Why all this angst about Why Now? Does it matter? As far as I'm concerned we now know that the rule makers were breaking the rules - better late than never.

That's a perceptive comment regarding the timing Curlywhirly. It is one thing to want to bring down a PM, or a government, but a completely different thing to bring down the entire country. The consequences don't bear thinking about.

I think maybe news of the parties wasn't leaked until recently as most restrictions had been removed. It would have been totally irresponsible to have released information about parties etc when we were all in lockdown - the fallout would have been disastrous and there's a good chance people would have just ditched all the restrictions and stuck two fingers up to the authorities.

I tuned into a radio phone in (Jeremy Vine prog I think) and a Tory was saying those people in Downing Street were just having a few drinks after a hard day making difficult decisions which affect all of us.

I will never forget Emily Thornbury's response. 'Do you not think that the nurse who held the phone for a dying patient so they could say goodbye to their loved ones might have felt they needed a drink at the end of their shift, and wouldn't they have loved to invite a few friends round? But they didn't! '

It's irrelevant how long ago their parties occurred, it's about their total lack of decency, honesty and empathy with those who have suffered and the many who died from covid and their families, and those of us who endured the restrictions and obeyed their rules.

MayBee70

I don’t think that you’re being critical of Johnson but looking to pass the blame onto other people. As is he. And hoping that the full report will exonerate him in some way.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion?

I’m surprised.

I don’t think that you’re being critical of Johnson but looking to pass the blame onto other people. As is he. And hoping that the full report will exonerate him in some way.

MayBee70

AviaParva

I’ve posted this on a similar thread. I think the original poster of this thread has described a different environment and activities to those investigated by Sue Gray.

I have no particular party political axe to grind.
And I certainly find the alleged conduct of people in No.10 to be utterly lacking in rules/guidance observance and in empathy with the people they are supposed to serve.
I have worked in positions where the leader of the organisation was brilliant but flawed. The brilliance achieved things that many people enjoy today that they/we wouldn’t otherwise. The flaws were managed and mitigated by an effective team surrounding and inspired by the leader.
Politics aside, BJ has some notable achievements as PM; there were an awful lot of very senior civil servants and politicians in Team Downing Street; and I just wonder whether we should throw the baby out with the bath water?
I haven’t made my mind up yet. I will be really interested to see the full report, as this taster from Sue Gray (and I’m only commenting on the news reports not from a reading of it) appears to be objective. I’m going to wait for the full report before I reach my personal judgment.



So. Do you think Johnson knew about the party that took place in his flat that was mentioned in the part of the report that has been released? And, if you do believe it do you think it was right given that other people weren’t allowed to have parties?

Maybe you should read my post ? See in particular (to your question); my reference to “the alleged conduct of people in no.10” and my final paragraph.

AviaParva

I’ve posted this on a similar thread. I think the original poster of this thread has described a different environment and activities to those investigated by Sue Gray.

I have no particular party political axe to grind.
And I certainly find the alleged conduct of people in No.10 to be utterly lacking in rules/guidance observance and in empathy with the people they are supposed to serve.
I have worked in positions where the leader of the organisation was brilliant but flawed. The brilliance achieved things that many people enjoy today that they/we wouldn’t otherwise. The flaws were managed and mitigated by an effective team surrounding and inspired by the leader.
Politics aside, BJ has some notable achievements as PM; there were an awful lot of very senior civil servants and politicians in Team Downing Street; and I just wonder whether we should throw the baby out with the bath water?
I haven’t made my mind up yet. I will be really interested to see the full report, as this taster from Sue Gray (and I’m only commenting on the news reports not from a reading of it) appears to be objective. I’m going to wait for the full report before I reach my personal judgment.



So. Do you think Johnson knew about the party that took place in his flat that was mentioned in the part of the report that has been released? And, if you do believe it do you think it was right given that other people weren’t allowed to have parties?

MayBee70

So you don’t think the PM knew about the party that actually took place in his own flat that is in the part of the report that has been released?

Sorry , is that to me?

So you don’t think the PM knew about the party that actually took place in his own flat that is in the part of the report that has been released?

I’ve posted this on a similar thread. I think the original poster of this thread has described a different environment and activities to those investigated by Sue Gray.

I have no particular party political axe to grind.
And I certainly find the alleged conduct of people in No.10 to be utterly lacking in rules/guidance observance and in empathy with the people they are supposed to serve.
I have worked in positions where the leader of the organisation was brilliant but flawed. The brilliance achieved things that many people enjoy today that they/we wouldn’t otherwise. The flaws were managed and mitigated by an effective team surrounding and inspired by the leader.
Politics aside, BJ has some notable achievements as PM; there were an awful lot of very senior civil servants and politicians in Team Downing Street; and I just wonder whether we should throw the baby out with the bath water?
I haven’t made my mind up yet. I will be really interested to see the full report, as this taster from Sue Gray (and I’m only commenting on the news reports not from a reading of it) appears to be objective. I’m going to wait for the full report before I reach my personal judgment.



Sorry for the rushed ending to my OP. Got the dreaded request from DD to pick DGD up from school as she had tummy ache.

Elaine 1 . So I would be allowed to sit in a stuffy small office next to A, B and C from 9.00 til 12.00 and 1.00 til 5.00, but not sit in the fresh air next to them from 12.00 til 1.00? That is not how I saw the rules. We weren't in a public park, nor meeting friends purely to have lunch. I know that as some of our meeting rooms are so small with no windows, some meetings were actually held outside to keep everyone safe.

I won't tell you about our birthday cake event, but we did have one.

However , I really didn't want this post to result in the inevitable, and by now very tedious, slaging match about BJ's ineptitude. We all know that! My question still remains, WHY NOW? If those in the know, and I include the press in this, had spoken up after the Christmas event, all this would have been stopped straight away and last summer's garden gatherings would not have happened.

They really aren't 'reading' the country are they? MPs must be getting a bit worried about how their constituents are taking this. Surely they'll see the need to get rid of Boris.

Why now? Dominic Cummings.

it was to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed so to stop us all getting ill at the same time!

"Three weeks to flatten the curve", they said.