Keir Starmer rescued by police

Read the BBC factfinder posted earlier on the thread Maudi.

There’s a huge difference between BJ attending functions and lying about being present (amongst other proven lies about personal involvement), and not having reported to you a case which was one in 900,000, which was dealt with at a regional level. As soon as KS was aware he made changes and publicly apologised on behalf of the CPS.

If I could think of one way to improve the quality of the debate on Gransnet it would be for posters to make the effort to find out the facts. Political disagreement is great, it’s what we are here for on these threads, but repeating lies about individuals is not OK.

Those supporting Johnson, - unless you are fervent supporters of the conspiracy theorists like Q-anon or alt. right - are being played for fools by people like Johnson.

His words and actions have no place in the U.K.

We are not that sort of country and I fervently hope that the majority of people agree with me.

If not we are lost as a civilised nation.

Josieann

Maudi

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

I was just thinking the same Maudi. KS has spent the past few weeks saying Boris should be responsible for every little thing going on in No.10, so why shouldn't it be the same the other way round?

I thought better of you, Josieann.

Maudi

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

You're another one who hasn't read the thread and can't look the truth in the eye.

You're as bad as the vile man you're defending. He is deliberately dragging politics into the sewer and he has a devoted band of followers applauding him for it.

karmalady

KS was the man in charge, he carries the can for failure to prosecute JS

I have reported this as this sort of thing we now know has consequences.

Those consequences are violence.

Q-anon has no place in our society.

Galaxy

It's also interesting isnt it that those comments drag the focus to lies about Starmer rather than to the fact that yesterday he was mobbed on the street months after the death of David Amess.

That horrifying thought also occurred to me too.

Maudi

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

I was just thinking the same Maudi. KS has spent the past few weeks saying Boris should be responsible for every little thing going on in No.10, so why shouldn't it be the same the other way round?

It's also interesting isnt it that those comments drag the focus to lies about Starmer rather than to the fact that yesterday he was mobbed on the street months after the death of David Amess.

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

MaizieD

So cross at the poster's ignorance that I left a word out.

"Try looking the truth in the eye...."

I don’t blame you.

So cross at the poster's ignorance that I left a word out.

"Try looking the truth in the eye...."

karmalady

KS was the man in charge, he carries the can for failure to prosecute JS

You haven't read this thread, have you? Just jumped in with your ignorant comment.

Try looking the truth in the for a change.

He took responsibility and explained the situation at the time. He also bought his mum a field for her donkey sanctuary. Throw a bit more mud.

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KS didn’t get to be a QC and DPP leader by being a third rate journalist.

The Times today.
I honestly couldn’t believe what Gutu Harri said.
What a time to be alive, eh?

It’s not ‘almost Trumpian’, it’s pure Trump.
Not for the first time I’m going to recommend Peter Oborne’s book on Johnson and Trump - ‘The Assault on Truth’

What I find worrying is how social media and the press whip people up. The endless comments from keyboards around the world. Causing people to be wrongly blamed, castigated, cancelled. People get worked up into a frenzy.

Apparently the mob today were in support of the Canadian truckers.

I don't know where it will end. I often wonder if people will decide against a career in politics. And then where will we be?

Said on Facebook that William Coleshill, a former Conservative councillor was the instigator but Piers Corbyn was there, too.

On the clip I saw there were men shouting that Starmer was a Freemason (is he?) and others that he was 'betraying the working class'. I think the some Qanon stuff came into it as well. So a mix of alt left and alt right. Lots of different agendas, it seemed to me.

Kali2

And yet, and yet- I get the feeling those thugs were not alt right- but alt left. Oder?

The far left and the far right meet in the middle.

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Johnson should be held to account. It's outrageous that his behaviour is tolerated by the Conservative party.

And yet, and yet- I get the feeling those thugs were not alt right- but alt left. Oder?

It’s frightening, that the slurs, the ease with which some perpetuate myths, lies about Keir Starmer, Saville and grooming gangs continue.

The attacks on Starmer and Lammy are the responsibility of those involved. It’s essential though to name Johnson’s responsibility. He should apologise and withdraw his false allegations. He knew exactly what he was doing when he spoke in Parliaments
Trumpian