Keir Starmer rescued by police

EllanVannin you are completely wrong about Starmer and Savile. As the truth about Savile didn't come out until after his death, there was no question of Starmer refusing to prosecute him. Yes, people had complained, but their complaints were not made to Starmer, and were not taken seriously by the police or other authorities.

This is from the BBC Fact Check that Casdon linked to above:
^Reality Check spoke to Nazir Afzal who was Chief Crown Prosecutor in the CPS for North West England from 2011-15.
We asked him whether - as DPP - Keir Starmer would have known about the decision not to prosecute Savile.
He said: "None of that would have been escalated beyond the south-east and Keir wasn't aware of it."
"At that time we were dealing [with] 900,000 prosecutions a year," he added.^

I call him Doris JaneJudge because he's more of a Doris than a Boris.

I had a Great Aunt Doris who was a delight

I wasn't particularly talking about Savile anyway. It was more the Rochdale grooming that concerned me.

“I support Nazir Afzal and have a lot of sympathy for what he was trying to do.”

That would be Nazir Afzal who said that Johnson’s comment was a disgrace and added ‘ Keir Starmer had nothing to do with the decisions taken. On the contrary, He supported me in bringing 100s of child sex abusers to justice’?

So did I Zoejory who flew planes in the second World War---RAF. Fearless she was too.

Is calling Johnson Doris an insult or a compliment?

Read this one EllanVannin.
www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims-idUSKBN22Q30F

So let's not follow what the media has to say-----ever.

Dominic Greave was Attorney General when Keir Starmer was DPP. Perhaps you should listen to what he has to say, EV

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1490611890237718532

I support Nazir Afzal and have a lot of sympathy for what he was trying to do.

B8gger me, EV. He was doing it under Keir Starmer's leadership! I've seen him interviewed. He has nothing but praise for his former boss and gives him full credit for changing the way these cases were handled.

EllanVannin

So let's not follow what the media has to say-----ever.

I'm not sure what you mean. Unless we are all present at every event that ever takes place we would have no idea what was going on unless we followed the media.

That doesn't mean blindly believing everything - we can use judgement to filter out what is clearly bias and misinformation. The BBC might not be perfect, but when it does a fact check I'm inclined to believe it to be true - particularly when there is no immediate backlash claiming otherwise.

Doodledog

Is calling Johnson Doris an insult or a compliment?

It sounds too cuddly. 'Boorish' is the one I like, though there are some better, unprintable, ones available.

Yes, Maisie, I am familiar with many

EllanVannin

So did I Zoejory who flew planes in the second World War---RAF. Fearless she was too.

How exciting.

As for Starmer I know very little. Apart from the fact the rather pleasant DJ Paul Gambaccini is not a fan. He had been falsely accused along with many others and little was done. He did end up getting a pay out so something was clearly afoot

inews.co.uk/news/politics/paul-gambaccini-threatens-to-run-against-keir-starmer-over-sex-abuse-witch-hunt-387468

EllanVannin Always check what you read in the media with alternative media sources, that’s the only way to get an approximation of the truth. I always read the fact checks on reputable sources (Reuters, i are generally good, as are ITV and BBC) about political ‘sensations’ because the other papers are invariably factually incorrect. The current Government is particularly shocking for misrepresentation and lying, worst in living memory by some distance. It’s all there if you look for it.

We have known for ages that these conspiracy theories bring about hate and sometimes violence.

Look at the divisions created it our country.

The populists know exactly what they are doing.

Trump knew what he was doing, Johnson knows what he is doing. They just wind these people up and set them going, but never take the blame.

It is disgraceful.

Oh yes, they do. And sadly, tragically, we can witness that it works with some people, right here, on GN.

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Here is a tweet from 2021, there are plenty more online to check out Afzal’s view of Starmer.

nazir afzal
@nazirafzal | 121,921 followers

What you saw of Keir Starmer on #LifeStories is what I saw on 5 yrs working with him
Dignified, Driven, Humble, Willing to Listen, Loyal, Caring & Compassionate
His term as DPP saw a massive improvement in prosecution of crimes with most vulnerable victims
For us it was personal

Good God, I've just watched the video of this event. It must have been truly terrifying for Keir Starmer and David Lammy who remained composed throughout.

The crowd were calling "Protecting Paedophiles" amongst many other things.

This leads straight back to Johnson.

I wrote to my Tory MP regarding the PM's lie about Jimmy Saville on 1st February. No answer. I've written again today in light of this despicable event. Surely any decent, honourable Tory MP must withdraw their support of lying Boris Johnson now.

Who can continue to support this?

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It’s frightening, that the slurs, the ease with which some perpetuate myths, lies about Keir Starmer, Saville and grooming gangs continue.

The attacks on Starmer and Lammy are the responsibility of those involved. It’s essential though to name Johnson’s responsibility. He should apologise and withdraw his false allegations. He knew exactly what he was doing when he spoke in Parliaments
Trumpian

And yet, and yet- I get the feeling those thugs were not alt right- but alt left. Oder?

Johnson should be held to account. It's outrageous that his behaviour is tolerated by the Conservative party.