Virginia Giuffre and the missing picture

I see it the other way round wwm. PA was adamant that he was going to testify, she was adamant she wouldn’t accept a settlement - then the photo went missing when PA’s lawyers wanted an expert to examine it and suddenly everything changed.

They've reached an out of court settlement, no doubt a thread on that will be imminent

Windsor was never going to court. Too much would come out.

Giuffre has played a blinder. This will followWindsor for the rest of his life and Giuffre’s character has been restored by Windsor’s statement.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202202/medium-102309-pa-plus-vg-photo.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202202/medium-795821-vg-yacht.jpg

Germanshepherdsmum

I haven’t seen the yacht photo. Can anyone post a link to it?

PA and VG versus VG alone.

A substantial sum - out of court hush money.

Seems a reasonable way out of this mess. I bet the Queen's relieved.

I assume she accepts it

That's rather clever isn't it. Accepting Epstein trafficked young girls and regretting his association is a long way from admitting he had sex with a girl he knew had been trafficked.

He accepts Epstein trafficked young girls and regrets his association with Epstein, he is giving the money to the charity
to support young girls

Curlywhirly

Well, if he's come to an agreement (albeit in principle at the moment) doesn't that indicate that he did 'have relations' her?

If you read the comments they don’t deny it, and in fact appear to accept that there was trafficking etc. by Epstein.

Yuk

Interesting comments published by Windsor.

There must have been huge pressure on him to settle before the Queens platinum year starts.

Good at least we won’t have to see or read about such an unpleasant character any more.

Well, if he's come to an agreement (albeit in principle at the moment) doesn't that indicate that he did 'have relations' her?

It certainly does tickingbird.

Sorry I was writing when others were posting. I didn’t think the details had been agreed or made public Annie.

Hmm…the plot thickens!

Just heard PA and VG have agreed a settlement in principle. And she said she would never agree to that. Wonder if the missing photo changed her mind?

They have reached a settlement, out of court, he is paying a
substantial sum to her charity

Just seen they have reached a settlement in principle, bbc news tv

Socking great wedge driven through her credibility I’d say. And remember that in the Maxwell case she wasn’t called as a witness due to questionable credibility.

Yes, that’s why I’m suspicious of where it came from.

The thing is trisher her allegations are very time and place specific. If it were proved she faked her main source of evidence for one of them, would that be enough to cast doubt on her other allegations?

My granddaughter can draw better hands than the one in that yacht photo ?

I think given that PA had such public links with Epstein even after his conviction and Maxwell was found guilty he is going to have to find something really substantial to disprove the allegations. One things certain if he gives evidence, based on hs TV performance, I'd say he's had it!

That’s an interesting link.

I see that the credibility of witnesses is an important factor. So a faked photo would be really important then?

There’s also a little bit about how foreign laws apply in cases brought in America, which didn’t go into detail but I think that could muddy the waters too.

Wow that is weird.Can anyone put both photos together on here?

In a civil trial the burden of proof isn't the same as in a criminal case, the fact finder has to e convinced that the case is more than 50% possible www.law.cornell.edu/wex/preponderance_of_the_evidence