Harry starts High Court legal battle today

Quite how Charles "sharing" his security would work out I don't know (nor I suspect does Charles). Usually there is a team of officers assigned to someone. They work on a rota basis and follow him whereever he goes, so unless it means Harry and the whole family would accompany Charles everywhere he goes I can't see how there would be any protection for them.
Harry is one of the first Royals ever to quit. But having quit he can't escape his birth. I would imagine as well that he remembers the fate of his mother who dismissed her security and died. Add to that his service in Iraq -terrorists have long memories- and he has security problems.
Funny all those who think he upset his grandmother by leaving now think he should stay away although it may be a last meeting for them.

trisher

Quite how Charles "sharing" his security would work out I don't know (nor I suspect does Charles). Usually there is a team of officers assigned to someone. They work on a rota basis and follow him whereever he goes, so unless it means Harry and the whole family would accompany Charles everywhere he goes I can't see how there would be any protection for them.
Harry is one of the first Royals ever to quit. But having quit he can't escape his birth. I would imagine as well that he remembers the fate of his mother who dismissed her security and died. Add to that his service in Iraq -terrorists have long memories- and he has security problems.
Funny all those who think he upset his grandmother by leaving now think he should stay away although it may be a last meeting for them.

Regarding his service in Iraq - good point.

His personal security is probably more complex than people realise. And hearing about the various death threats made against a number of politicians from both parties it's obvious that there's too many unhinged individuals 'out there' for anyone with a high profile to feel safe.

The media is going to have a field day (lots of field days) with this so it will make him even more 'high profile'. I'm not sure it was a good move on his part.

I understand he has things he wants to get off his chest, but a period of quiet reflection wouldn't do him any harm.

I hope he gets to see his grandmother... there must surely be a way round it...

As it is a new situation and something which has never happened before it will require some solution. It might have helped if instead of saying a straight "No" the Home Office had looked for a solution and made suggestions. High profile visitors from the US must have protection. I would imagine the President brings his own, so all the guff about not allowing guns is just that because some people will be allowed to.

According to what I’ve just read Harry didn’t genuinely offer to pay for the Met security at all.

Yes I've read that too tickingbird, only the headline as I was busy elsewhere. Am about to read the details.

trisher

As it is a new situation and something which has never happened before it will require some solution. It might have helped if instead of saying a straight "No" the Home Office had looked for a solution and made suggestions. High profile visitors from the US must have protection. I would imagine the President brings his own, so all the guff about not allowing guns is just that because some people will be allowed to.

Harry is hardly POTUS is he? What a comparison ?????

Though maybe he’ll end up being First Lady?

Though maybe he’ll end up being First Lady. Naughty!

High profile visitors from the US must have protection. I would imagine the President brings his own.
That bit is true Trisher. Look at the bulging back jacket on this protection guy in grey behind the Bidens. I assume it is a gun and not a deformity.

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Oh and he never went to Iraq as was claimed by two posters as a reason for his needing security. Never.

But like I said before, Sussex supporters aren’t fussy about truth.

Peasblossom

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Oh and he never went to Iraq as was claimed by two posters as a reason for his needing security. Never.

But like I said before, Sussex supporters aren’t fussy about truth.

He undertook two tours in Afghanistan. The media got wind of his presence there and he had to return, then later went back again.

He was supposed to do a tour in Iraq wasn't he?

Yup, I think I mention his service in Afghanistan earlier.

But never Iraq.

Trisha gave it as a reason for his needing tax payer security and Dickens said she had made a good point.

Ex ept it never happened ?

Obviously recollections vary?

Peasblossom

Obviously recollections vary?

Maybe there is confusion as James Hewitt was sent to Iraq in the Gulf War?!!

It was the Taliban who said they were keen to kill or kidnap him.

Bottom line is that he's in a unique position (son of heir to the throne, ex-serving officer and former working Royal) and something has to be sorted out about his security when he visits UK with his family.

He wants to bring his children to see his Grandmother.
As others have pointed out, when they are with her, there will be armed Royal Protection Officers around.

Where else does he want to go? Other family members can go to see him; he can hire a bullet-proof car and bodyguards and travel discreetly too.

He is just becoming litigious and it helps to keep him in the limelight.
For someone who claims not to like the press attention, he is constantly shouting "Look at me, look at me"!

Peasblossom

Yup, I think I mention his service in Afghanistan earlier.

But never Iraq.

Trisha gave it as a reason for his needing tax payer security and Dickens said she had made a good point.

Ex ept it never happened ?

Yes, you're right - he was meant to go to Iraq... I forgot.

The point I was making is that he's high-profile enough to be a target.

And as implied - I'm not convinced he's gone the right way about dealing with it.

Sometimes, people can see both sides of an argument. I am not a "Sussex supporter".

In some Asian countries, they hire elite gurkhas to provide security for foreign presidents and diplomats. Why can’t Harry do the same, I’m sure they are security companies here that provide such services.

And someone needs to tell Harry that the duty of the Royal protection officers is to provide security, not run errands like picking up coffee, takeaways or groceries for him and his wife, which allegedly was what happened in Canada.

When Prince Harry and his wife were living in Canada the vast majority of Canadians were against paying for their security costs once the couple gave up their royal duties.
The Government of Canada stopped shelling out for any security costs and Justin Trudeau avoided taking on a deeply unpopular financial burden.
Likewise President Trump said the US would not pay any security costs.
Now that Prince Harry lives in the US, has relinquished his royal duties and only visits the UK for an occasional short break surely he should pay for and arrange his own private security if he really deems it necessary to be in the limelight.

Wind on 10 years and Charles is king, and say, just say, H& M have divorced and Harry is living in say Chichester with the children, but with no royal job, would they be entitled to security then?

His argument is that his security team or any he could hire here ( ex SAS) wouldn’t have access to the same intelligence as the Met. Do we really believe that if the Met or our security services had any knowledge or intelligence around such matters they wouldn’t pass it on? Of course they would.

I believe Harry’s playing a game and trying to prove a point. I used to think he was lovely but not anymore.

Nope, not unless on a Royal duty.

Just like all the other grandchildren and their kids.

Who seem to be just getting on with their lives in Britain, just fine.

tickingbird

His argument is that his security team or any he could hire here ( ex SAS) wouldn’t have access to the same intelligence as the Met. Do we really believe that if the Met or our security services had any knowledge or intelligence around such matters they wouldn’t pass it on? Of course they would.

I believe Harry’s playing a game and trying to prove a point. I used to think he was lovely but not anymore.

Up to a point they would pass on information, but it could get messy I suppose and there could be a conflict in the way things got handled.

Peasblossom

Who seem to be just getting on with their lives in Britain, just fine.

Yes, all seem very content.