Harry starts High Court legal battle today

I’m afraid private security people based here or from the US aren’t allowed to carry guns here Madgran. Thank goodness.

Exactly GMSM

There must be many "celebs" who feel they need protection in the UK because of online trolls or stalkers.

I’m afraid private security people based here or from the US aren’t allowed to carry guns here Madgran. Thank goodness.

Yes that is true. So Harry has to decide what he wants to do within those rules, as a consequence of HIS decisions. What he cant do is expect to "bend the rules" even if that makes some difficulties for him or means he cant do exactly what he wants to do.

It is probably quite difficult for Harry to understands that as he is no longer an HRH he cannot easily bend the rules.

Us ordinary folk just have to stick to the rules.

trisher

Harry has offered to pay-they won't let him. He isn't allowed to bring his US security here because apparently 'we don't allow people to wander the street with guns here',
What is he supposed to do? Put himself, his wife and children at risk because this country just likes to wrap things in red tape?

He wants to pay for armed Police security but it's not available to members of the public just because they can offer to pay.

I'm not sure why he thinks he should be entitled to it or to be able to pay for something not available to anyone else!

It's not red tape.
He and his wife are trying to make themselves exceptions - why?

Why should he be at any more risk than any other member of the Royal Family who don't get security unless on duty?

Oh wait a minute- does he think he might have annoyed somebody (like the great British Public) and they might be out to get him?

Just come here quietly, stay under the radar, see Granny then leave again.
That is too simple.

trisher

Harry has offered to pay-they won't let him. He isn't allowed to bring his US security here because apparently 'we don't allow people to wander the street with guns here',
What is he supposed to do? Put himself, his wife and children at risk because this country just likes to wrap things in red tape?

Don't come then.
Stay in the States where he's safe.

Lots of people haven't met new grandchildren, great-grandchildren because of Covid. It's upsetting but there it is.

trisher you support all police officers and all private security
.guards being armed with guns, and dismiss our laws on guns as red tape,

So do you think we should relax the gun laws trisha so that high profile people can have armed security?

Or should visitors from other parts of the world be allowed to bring armed security to our streets.

We all know what happens when a US citizen kills a boy on a road. Would you like that immunity for overseas security staff?

Or should any private individual be able to hire our Police Force with guns to protect their interests?

Several scenarios there. Which one would be what you would want for your vision of Britain?

Janamax

HurdyGurdy

I disagree Janamax. If he really wants to see his grandmother, he and his family could easily slip into the country under the radar, go and visit her, and slip back out again without anyone knowing they have been.

He and Meghan have enough incredibly wealthy friends, who could loan them private jets, and they could travel between the landing airport and whichever Royal home the Queen is at, by a car with blacked out windows, and the same in reverse.

His family is only at risk if he fanfares his movements. They could be as anonymous as they wish - but I don't suppose they are yearning for anonymity.

He was hounded by the press when he was here last year and allegedly having access to someone's private jet won't stop the press. Diana, was hounded by the press when she was on a private yacht and she was in a private car when she was killed whilst being chased by the press. Having access to private planes is no protection from a determined press wanting a scoop in my opinion.

Yes but he was here in a public capacity for the unveiling, not private. If he wants to privately meet with the Queen, he doesn't need to announce it to anyone. He can be as private as he chooses.

Perhaps he wants to take the kids to Peppa Pig World, like Boris did, while he is here.
I'm sure Police Officer Panda could provide adequate security.

Harry doesn't understand 'private'. He thought he did but ....

Nothing to do with red tape, Harry used to get that protection as a working member of the RF. He's now not a working member of the RF so like the other family members in the same position ,he is not now entitled to that particular protection, and it cannot be bought, as has been previously explained. I can't believe you don't already know this trisher and the reasons for such a ruling. Why would his family be at any more risk than the Wessex's or the Tindalls? unless he is worried that his venom has incited an incident? Harry couldn't have risen further in the Army, he just wasn't academic enough, and certainly not for a desk job. He only got into Sandhurst because of who he is, his qualifications wouldn't have got him past Lance Corporal in the real world.

trisher

Harry has offered to pay-they won't let him. He isn't allowed to bring his US security here because apparently 'we don't allow people to wander the street with guns here',
What is he supposed to do? Put himself, his wife and children at risk because this country just likes to wrap things in red tape?

He has many options he does not have a unique problem here - how do you think that Russian Oligarchs and foreign Royals organise their trips to the UK? Indeed the Obama's daughter spends time in London without having this hoohaa.

- he can pay for private security from the US or UK - there are many ex-Military and indeed former Royal Protection Officers that run security outfits
- he can take up Prince Charles' offer to stay with him and be covered by his RPOs
- Harry has been offered "exceptional status" by the government which means that he will be covered by royal protection on a case by case basis. This is the same deal that Princess Anne and Prince Edward have as they are covered for Royal duties - but it wouldn't cover him to use the Met Police when he comes to film for his £100 million Netflix contract

Josieann

Germanshepherdsmum

If that's what he wanted he could make a private visit to her with no-one knowing anything about it until they were back in the US. As has been said before. What they want is to swan around and be seen on the balcony.

He he, yes I agree with all that, but just living in hope that he might be acting out of the overused Archewell word "compassion" for his grandma!! Not likely I know.

Megan managed to get to the States for her Baby shower without anyone finding out until she was spotted coming out of an hotel .Why can't they use the same method to make a discrete visit to his gran. If the pair can cause a fuss and get attention they will.They want to be seen on the balcony, hiding the children faces of course.

I feel really sorry for the Queen. The mess with Andrew, the investigation into Prince Charles’ charity and now, not satisfied with a ‘tell all’ book on the way, this little twerp is going to the High Court !! He and Meghan supposedly moved to the States to get away from the publicity, and have done nothing but court it ever since. He’s now a private citizen and if he didn’t publicise his movements he wouldn’t need the security, but somehow I get the feeling that anonymity doesn’t suit.

He’s thick, entitled and does what wifey says. Not a good combination.

I wonder if Harry thinks he will succeed in forcing the Met to provide the security he says he wants? Or is it just a way of staying in public view? Or is it that he wants to include this saga in his Netflix/Spotify work? Or to provide further evidence of how dreadfully he’s been treated?

I’m a bit unsure what the end game is as Harry must know that he can’t buy protection from the Met and as sure as eggs are eggs he’ll be fully aware that the vast majority of his relations get no security at all provided. He’ll also be fully aware that only a tiny minority of royals receive any protection at all and apart from the Queen, his father and Camilla, and his brother and his family, that protection is only ever available for those other royals when they’re engaged in royal duties. Harry knows this, so why the histrionics?
We all know it, so why is Harry acting as if he doesn’t know it?

Boz
It is interesting that the Sussex Lawyers use his Royal Succession position (6) to demand protection for him and his family.

Are they saying that if a tragedy were to occur which wiped out Charles and William and his three children, then Harry would return to the UK to take up his position as King? Really? He has opted out of taking a smaller role, which is his absolute right, but would take on the starring one if it was necessary? If he wouldn't then being 6th in line is irrelevant to their argument. Any time Harry performs an official royal duty he will, of course, be provided with Royal Protection Officers.

Apparently he now says he merits protection as the UK is still his home. Nah! Pull the other one! And even if it were he is most definitely not a working Royal as we know it.

This is all Meghan’s doing. Her motto is, if you don’t like it, can’t get your own way, sue. He does what he’s told. A bear of little brain.

We all know it, so why is Harry acting as if he doesn’t know it?
This, maddyone

to provide further evidence of how dreadfully he’s been treated?

He should be removed from the line of succession if he no longer wants to be Royal.

I suppose the court proceedings could be more Netflix fodder.

Germanshepherdsmum

This is all Meghan’s doing. Her motto is, if you don’t like it, can’t get your own way, sue. He does what he’s told. A bear of little brain.

It’s been said before that Harry appeared quite normal and happy before he met Meghan, who presumably told him how unhappy he should be.

I've tried to be objective about Harry. I believe he's damaged goods for all the reasons others have mentioned.

But he does seem to be going down the wrong path.

However, I'm not prepared to blame Meghan. Regardless of her influence (and I only know about her from what I read in the media anyway), Harry is an adult with a mind of his own.

In the end, you're responsible for your own behaviour. And Harry must be responsible for his. I just can't subscribe to this culture that blames women for men's actions.