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So much for a world beating Animal Welfare Bill

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 19-Feb-22 07:25:29

The government have shelved a proposed ban on foie gras and imported fur..

Rees Mogg argued that it prevents personal choice.

Not sure what choice the animals have.

Like everything else the promises are nothing but hot air.

Pantglas2 Sat 19-Feb-22 07:32:25

Is there a market for either here in the UK? I know in Spain fur is often proudly worn in winter and the supermarkets stock foie gras but I haven’t seen either in Wales this century!

Curlywhirly Sat 19-Feb-22 09:37:35

Sadly, I have seen foie gras on menus when we have visited restaurants here in the UK.

Shandy57 Sat 19-Feb-22 09:44:46

So sorry to read this, both are appalling practices.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 19-Feb-22 09:45:08

Shameful. Yes, foie gras is definitely to be seen on menus and probably a place such as F&M would sell it. Disgraceful that JRM would defend it, however why am I not surprised?

Shinamae Sat 19-Feb-22 09:47:28

Shameful and disgusting but hardly surprising with this bloody government..🤨

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 09:51:36

There are no EU regulations against these.
I suppose if we want to export to the EU and keep close trade relations we can't start banning some of the products of their dubious practices.

I did hope we might, there have to be some positive outcomes of Brexit and animal welfare standards in EU countries are generally woeful.

Shinamae Sat 19-Feb-22 09:52:45

Shinamae

Shameful and disgusting but hardly surprising with this bloody government..🤨

I would love to force feed Rees-Mogg with his own B******t!! 🤬🤨

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 09:53:59

I'm surprised no-one condemned the EU for these dreadful practices when we were members!

Farzanah Sat 19-Feb-22 09:55:44

Ceremonial Bearskins worn by foot regiments and as seen worn by guards outside the palace are real from culled bears. I didn’t know that.

tickingbird Sat 19-Feb-22 10:02:31

Disgraceful and I shall be writing to my MP about this.

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 10:05:09

Shinamae

Shameful and disgusting but hardly surprising with this bloody government..🤨

Shinamae

What about all the preceding Governments which allowed the import of about 200 tonnes of foie gras every year?
Did anyone worry about it then, when we were EU members?

Did anyone protest about mink farms in Denmark?

No, thought not!

Pantglas2 Sat 19-Feb-22 10:06:01

Could the EU do that Callistemon or is it up to individual countries?

I’ve never been tempted by foie gras but did wear a lovely coney (rabbit) gilet in the 80s. I’ve always eaten rabbit so didn’t feel guilty about that on the possibly faulty premise that none of the poor animal was wasted!

A bit like the Spanish who eat all of the 🐖 apart from the oink!

I think us Brits have moved on from wearing fur regardless of whether it’s ‘legal’ or not.

Josieann Sat 19-Feb-22 10:10:55

You can buy foie gras here which hasn't been force fed. I'm sure Waitrose sell it with an animal welfare guarantee. The practice used to turn my stomach in France when we drove past the fields of geese and ducks.

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 10:13:49

I think us Brits have moved on from wearing fur regardless of whether it’s ‘legal’ or not.

I think we have, Pantglas thank goodness.

I just find the shock and horror on this thread posted about this government not banning something we've imported from the faultless EU so hypocritical.

I'm not generally a Tory supporter, think Boris should go, voted Remain too but I really am astonished at this thread!
All these years and no staunch EU supporters on here have mentioned these abominable practices taken for granted in Europe.

Witzend Sat 19-Feb-22 10:19:12

Callistemon21

Shinamae

Shameful and disgusting but hardly surprising with this bloody government..🤨

Shinamae

What about all the preceding Governments which allowed the import of about 200 tonnes of foie gras every year?
Did anyone worry about it then, when we were EU members?

Did anyone protest about mink farms in Denmark?

No, thought not!

17 million mink destroyed because of COVID! And many of the pelts had apparently been destined for China.

TBH I’d thought the huge factory-farming industry of pigs in Denmark was bad enough. It’s an awful long time since I’ve bought any Danish bacon. Or Lurpak, come to that.

Coastpath Sat 19-Feb-22 10:20:56

Farzanah

Ceremonial Bearskins worn by foot regiments and as seen worn by guards outside the palace are real from culled bears. I didn’t know that.

I don't know why you say people haven't been protesting against fois gras or mink farms in Denmark Callistemon21

I've been campaigning against these monstrosities since my school days in the 1970s. Compassion in World Farming has been all over this since the 1960s and and Peta have been relentless on these issues for 40 years now.

Urmstongran Sat 19-Feb-22 10:22:22

I'm not generally a Tory supporter, think Boris should go, voted Remain too but I really am astonished at this thread!
All these years and no staunch EU supporters on here have mentioned these abominable practices taken for granted in Europe.

I’m not Calli it’s par for the course click bait.

Maudi Sat 19-Feb-22 10:28:08

I think foie gras and real fur should have been banned in the UK and the whole world for that matter.

France is the major producer of foie gras so perhaps your outrage should be directed at Macron and the EU for allowing this cruel practice to carry on.

Coastpath Sat 19-Feb-22 10:29:23

I've no idea why I linked to Faranzahs post.

Although on that subject, Ben Wallace the Defence Secretary is one of the people stalling this Bill so that the bearskins can still be imported from Canada. Could they not just wear different or fake fur hats?

Coastpath Sat 19-Feb-22 10:35:28

France is the major producer of foie gras so perhaps your outrage should be directed at Macron and the EU for allowing this cruel practice to carry on.

From what I read here posters are outraged at all aspects of the trade wherever it occurs in the World. The difference is that we as individuals have no route to call on the French government to act. We have to campaign for change through our own government who, on this occasion, are not doing the right thing buy animals suffering in the EU and beyond.

When we had a voice in the EU, with MEPs acting as part of the decision making process in Europe, then we could campaign via our own MEP. Not now - that avenue has been closed for us.

Just the one route now, via Johnson's government.

Coastpath Sat 19-Feb-22 10:50:06

It makes me so sad that a poster could see the subject of this thread and then reduce the discussion of this emotive and important subject to one word - 'clickbait'.

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 10:56:58

Coastpath

Farzanah

Ceremonial Bearskins worn by foot regiments and as seen worn by guards outside the palace are real from culled bears. I didn’t know that.

I don't know why you say people haven't been protesting against fois gras or mink farms in Denmark Callistemon21

I've been campaigning against these monstrosities since my school days in the 1970s. Compassion in World Farming has been all over this since the 1960s and and Peta have been relentless on these issues for 40 years now.

Well done, Coastpath
I'm not sure it was generally known, though. The EU is always held up as having high standards but in fact, it is pretty disgraceful compared to the UK.

I must confess that, until I read that minks had escaped from farms in Denmark during Covid, I had no idea that this abominable practice was carried on in an EU country.

I knew about foie gras produced in France, of course, but have never touched it even when I was there, although the family I was with used to serve horsemeat (which I refused).

Grantanow Sat 19-Feb-22 10:58:28

I was a bit surprised to see how many women in Prague wore fur coats in the winter.

Callistemon21 Sat 19-Feb-22 11:00:42

It's astonishing!

And the way agricultural workers are treated in Spain is disgraceful too.

All those years as an EU member and we never managed to improve their standards to those of the UK!