You’d think this news would be front page‼️

Trump said Putin was GENIUS because of his STRATEGY.

“I said, ‘This is genius,'”
“Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper.

WELL, That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen! There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … “

Trump then went on to say that Biden is weak and that this escalation would never had happened on his watch.

I agree with you Galaxy many on here hate Trump and it colours their judgement.

I for one agree with Trump. This awful pandemic had nothing to do with bluddy pangolins and wet markets.

Remember how the wet markets reopened almost immediately? Strange that.

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

But the fake news was actually 'that didnt happen and we will censor anyone who says it didn't', strangely there was no reaction to that 'fake news'. That was about as manipulative as it gets.
Only worry about fake news when it fits with a particular political narrative.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

I agree with you.

I am about as far away as possible from trumps politics but I think censorship of information is probably more worrying than anything that trump.could come up with and that is what happened with the lab leak theory and I am not going to pretend that didnt happen.

Good post volver.

Worrying about the Telegraph recycling a story when Facebook decided to censor the information we receive, wrong target I am afraid. And I am no fan of the telegraph either

Galaxy

I am about as far away as possible from trumps politics but I think censorship of information is probably more worrying than anything that trump.could come up with and that is what happened with the lab leak theory and I am not going to pretend that didnt happen.

So what new news is there?

So do you think that misleading stories about the source of the virus are A-OK and should be on the front page?

I think recycling of stories happens in most papers so no it doesnt particularly worry me. As I have said much more worried about Facebook (who to say have a slightly larger reach is an understatement) deciding that it wasnt permissible to discuss it much more scary in terms of democracy. The influence of those media is waning each day, the power lies elsewhere now.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

I agree with you.

No I do not agree. A genius is stealthy and successful in his aim, but neither is true of Putin.

It has been clear for years what his intention was and we watched and did nothing as he interfered in elections and referendums, many arguing that there was no interference when report after report said otherwise. He could have been stopped then.

This is someone who has for years worked towards regaining a Russia that only existed for a few years in the 20 century.

There is nothin genius about Putin, but this is a chancer, with a high opinion of his strategic ability, which has been reinforced by the wests reluctance to say “enough”

Galaxy

I loathe Trump but if he said the world is round I would agree with him, we seem to have got into a situation where we cant look at a statement logically because we are blinded by dislike for a person.

Oh my goodness, how I agree with this. So, so true.

Galaxy

I think recycling of stories happens in most papers so no it doesnt particularly worry me. As I have said much more worried about Facebook (who to say have a slightly larger reach is an understatement) deciding that it wasnt permissible to discuss it much more scary in terms of democracy. The influence of those media is waning each day, the power lies elsewhere now.

The issue of Facebook banning discussion about something is perfectly valid, I agree with you on that.

However the Telegraph are not just recycling old stories, they are pretending the story has moved on when it hasn't. And we're not just talking about it reaching the readership of the Telegraph, here we are talking about it, aren't we? They are leading people to believe that they possibility of a leak from a Chinese lab has been confirmed, when it hasn't. They are contributing to a narrative about China that suits their agenda. For the record, I wouldn't trust the Chinese as far as I could throw them, but I want to know what is really going on, not the speculation of some Telegraph journalist.

That's what this thread is about. And if that doesn't worry you, it should.

I dont worry too much about the Telegraph its political leanings are clear and out in the open.
You couldnt find out what was going on though could you because of the hysteria of 'fake news' that was screamed endlessly just a few short months ago. I just find it interesting that the telegraph gets such a reaction when very few people uttered a peep whilst that hysteria was happening. Why was that? Perhaps the people who read the telegraph arent the only ones who are easily led. Perhaps that applies to all of us, led by whatever political narrative we follow.

Whether or not there was a leak from a laboratory will never be confirmed because the Chinese will never be truthful, nor allow a proper inquiry. The WHO inquiry appeared to be a complete whitewash. They were apparently not allowed to look into certain things/areas/documentation.
What do you think the agenda of The Telegraph is volver?

What we should be talking about is that China is supporting Russia.

Galaxy

I loathe Trump but if he said the world is round I would agree with him, we seem to have got into a situation where we cant look at a statement logically because we are blinded by dislike for a person.

Exactly.
And your later point about Facebook's power is also very relevant.

Iam64.

Tickingbird, rather rich of you to accuse growstuff of being childish

China and Russia are colonising the world

And????? What’s that got to do with this?

Rather rich of you to jump in uninvited too!

Whitewavemark2

What we should be talking about is that China is supporting Russia.

This too.

Is that the same Trump who has called Putin “A genius”?

You may not like Trump or his comments but he’s not far wrong is he? Putin has ran rings round everyone.

Whitewavemark2

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

I agree with you.

No I do not agree. A genius is stealthy and successful in his aim, but neither is true of Putin.

It has been clear for years what his intention was and we watched and did nothing as he interfered in elections and referendums, many arguing that there was no interference when report after report said otherwise. He could have been stopped then.

This is someone who has for years worked towards regaining a Russia that only existed for a few years in the 20 century.

There is nothin genius about Putin, but this is a chancer, with a high opinion of his strategic ability, which has been reinforced by the wests reluctance to say “enough”

The Wests reluctance to say enough has kept the peace on the Continent of Europe. Would you have had NATO/EU troops mobilised when Russia went into Crimea?

Russian and China have formed an informal alliance against the rest of the world, this could not have been stopped, however much the West doesn’t find it palatable President Putin has played the long game, and that in itself is why this strategy is being hailed as genius. I have posted (no idea on what thread, I am really stressed today) that there is a fine line between a genius and a madman…

President Putin, has bided his time, his strategy which has been known since 2014 is probably going to set Europe on fire.

No, for goodness sake every time you disagree with me you argue that I am arguing for “boots on the ground”.

You know very well that I am not, so why do you keep saying such a silly thing.

Crimea - was “given” to Ukraine by USSR during the 50s, but of course Ukraine was still under the USSR influence. Why the USSR did this has never been terribly clear as the Crimea was always dominantly Russian in culture and population This all changed of course when Ukraine rid itself of its Russian overlord and declared itself a democratic republic in 2014, and turned its face to the west.

Putin immediately took back the crimea, almost certainly because of its strategic value. The west I think took the pragmatic view, largely because of the history attached to Crimea and frankly it would be more trouble than it was worth to Ukraine. Ukraine however has never laid aside its claim to Crimea.

Whitewavemark2 mobilising troops does not necessarily mean boots on the ground

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 mobilising troops does not necessarily mean ^boots on the ground^

? oh what does it mean then?

Perhaps they’re just doing a little cross-country march?