Conscription in UK?

Callistemon21

^Now will you please stop bickering, all of you^.

For some of us it is very, very personal and upsetting.

Surely, for all of us, in one way or another this is very personal and upsetting?

Baggs

Nuclear attacks stopped WW2 and have acted as a deterrent to their re-use ever since. Deterrence is their main purpose. Let's hope it carries on working.

And Putins threats are one of the the reasons why the west is incapable of properly helping Ukraine. I stopped being a unilateralist a long time ago and supported multilateral disarmament but I still understand the argument for unilateral disarmament because what is the point of a weapon that you can’t use but can be under the control of someone that may be totally unhinged?

DaisyAnne

Callistemon21

Now will you please stop bickering, all of you.

For some of us it is very, very personal and upsetting.

Surely, for all of us, in one way or another this is very personal and upsetting?

I'm sorry if you lost family in WW2 as well, DaisyAnne

I too take exception to those slating today's young people in this respect. My son joined the army at 16 and was in Afghanistan at 18. He also served a tour of Iraq too before leaving. There are many young people serving in our armed forces already and I have no doubt that others would step up to the mark too if needed. And I find the term 'cannon fodder' extremely offensive.

I agree, Blondiescot

Did anyone see the interview with the 21 year old Ukrainian soldier who was on his own defending a bridge. Talking about his fears for his family, obviously afraid. I can’t stop thinking about him. How his mother must just want to put her arms around him and protect him (as did I). And the news of another young soldier who died blowing up a bridge because he knew there wasn’t time to do it without it taking his own life. I just can’t stop crying. I really hoped it wouldn’t come to this.

My AC is a serving officer, all of the forces training is exceptional.

They know they may have to fight for their Country or to protect an ally.

On the news this morning, it was said that Russian army units are being followed by mobile crematorium units, it was not clear whether the ashes would be returned to the families of those killed.

Whatever else we do, British soldiers dying in combat are flown back to the UK in flag-draped coffins and are taken through the streets with honour. Cannon fodder, as a phrase, is offensive, but that is how Putin treats his countries armed forces.

It has been said that he has sent his youngest and least trained troops into Ukraine. If so he was probably expecting a walkover and to be able to boast that a regiment of raw recruits could beat the Ukrainians. He is discovering that Ukraine has a motivated and well trained army. He could get bogged down there longer than he expected and face guerilla warfare and non-cooperation, even if he does succeed.

MayBee70

Baggs

Nuclear attacks stopped WW2 and have acted as a deterrent to their re-use ever since. Deterrence is their main purpose. Let's hope it carries on working.

And Putins threats are one of the the reasons why the west is incapable of properly helping Ukraine. I stopped being a unilateralist a long time ago and supported multilateral disarmament but I still understand the argument for unilateral disarmament because what is the point of a weapon that you can’t use but can be under the control of someone that may be totally unhinged?

Multilateral disarmament would be great but I have become ever less hopeful that it can ever be achieved.

I don't believe that n weapons in the West are ever under the control of one person.

M0nica

On the news this morning, it was said that Russian army units are being followed by mobile crematorium units, it was not clear whether the ashes would be returned to the families of those killed.

Whatever else we do, British soldiers dying in combat are flown back to the UK in flag-draped coffins and are taken through the streets with honour. Cannon fodder, as a phrase, is offensive, but that is how Putin treats his countries armed forces.

It has been said that he has sent his youngest and least trained troops into Ukraine. If so he was probably expecting a walkover and to be able to boast that a regiment of raw recruits could beat the Ukrainians. He is discovering that Ukraine has a motivated and well trained army. He could get bogged down there longer than he expected and face guerilla warfare and non-cooperation, even if he does succeed.

Has this been disproven then?

www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/

This has already been mentioned on the main thread about Ukraine.

Baggs

MayBee70

Baggs

Nuclear attacks stopped WW2 and have acted as a deterrent to their re-use ever since. Deterrence is their main purpose. Let's hope it carries on working.

And Putins threats are one of the the reasons why the west is incapable of properly helping Ukraine. I stopped being a unilateralist a long time ago and supported multilateral disarmament but I still understand the argument for unilateral disarmament because what is the point of a weapon that you can’t use but can be under the control of someone that may be totally unhinged?

Multilateral disarmament would be great but I have become ever less hopeful that it can ever be achieved.

I don't believe that n weapons in the West are ever under the control of one person.

But I would imagine Putin has control over his? His subordinates seem to be terrified of him.

M0nica

On the news this morning, it was said that Russian army units are being followed by mobile crematorium units, it was not clear whether the ashes would be returned to the families of those killed.

Whatever else we do, British soldiers dying in combat are flown back to the UK in flag-draped coffins and are taken through the streets with honour. Cannon fodder, as a phrase, is offensive, but that is how Putin treats his countries armed forces.

It has been said that he has sent his youngest and least trained troops into Ukraine. If so he was probably expecting a walkover and to be able to boast that a regiment of raw recruits could beat the Ukrainians. He is discovering that Ukraine has a motivated and well trained army. He could get bogged down there longer than he expected and face guerilla warfare and non-cooperation, even if he does succeed.

I posted this information yesterday, and was informed by other posters that it was old news

I really cannot be bothered anymore…

No, I hope it doesn’t come to that.

GrannyGravy13 I have no idea if these units are being used in the current conflict. What is known is that the evidence provided is at least 7 years old. If there's current evidence, the media should use it.

It's also known that Russia and Ukraine are using a massive "fake news" campaign for propaganda purposes. It's really difficult to know what's actually true.

I don’t think the uk will have conscription at this stage but I think the Eastern European countries may well. Poland for one. Possibly Finland,too. They will all be feeling threatened by these Russian invaders because of past history. I wonder whether Putin has ever moved on from his time in the KGB, it doesn’t look like it. Certainly seems to act like one of those nasty ruthless bullies.

growstuff

M0nica

On the news this morning, it was said that Russian army units are being followed by mobile crematorium units, it was not clear whether the ashes would be returned to the families of those killed.

Whatever else we do, British soldiers dying in combat are flown back to the UK in flag-draped coffins and are taken through the streets with honour. Cannon fodder, as a phrase, is offensive, but that is how Putin treats his countries armed forces.

It has been said that he has sent his youngest and least trained troops into Ukraine. If so he was probably expecting a walkover and to be able to boast that a regiment of raw recruits could beat the Ukrainians. He is discovering that Ukraine has a motivated and well trained army. He could get bogged down there longer than he expected and face guerilla warfare and non-cooperation, even if he does succeed.

Has this been disproven then?

www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-mobile-crematoriums/

This has already been mentioned on the main thread about Ukraine.

I don't know but it was reported on the BBC that the Ukraine Deputy Prime Minister has asked the Red Cross to remove dead bodies of thousands of Russian soldiers and repatriate them.
It could be propaganda or it could be true.

Whether it is true I do not know. Hence the caveats around what I said, but I heard it on BBC R4, they too were being cautious.

But it seems quite possible. If Putin is not doingas well as expecyed and losses are too high, he would not want that known.

M0nica

Whether it is true I do not know. Hence the caveats around what I said, but I heard it on BBC R4, they too were being cautious.

But it seems quite possible. If Putin is not doingas well as expecyed and losses are too high, he would not want that known.

Just about anything is possible, but it shouldn't be reported as fact.

Hear hear growstuff

I didn't report it as fact. Note the use of the word 'caveat'. Reread my post and you will see I said things like 'it was said' several times.

Mind you Russian families will begin to put two and two together when their soldiers fail to return or contact them.

Not much of a strategy I would have thought.

M0nica, your patience is exemplary.

Baggs, I do quite well, and it doesn't half irritate people (including DD).