Absolute chaos!

Where
Did I say I was ashamed of British people ??????

freyer, you are clearly annoyed, but your comments to Lucca are uncalled for.

I don't see why Patel should be any more or less racist than anyone else because of her parentage. My politics are not the same as my mother's, and there is no reason they should be, but I do think that she comes across as unfeeling and often cruel.

As for terrorists coming into the country - any terrorist or spy worth their salt will have a set of papers, won't they? Even Johnny English could have managed that. Women and children could be in disguise, I suppose, but half-decent checks at airport security would sniff out hidden explosives or poison vials before they get here. If other countries can sort it out, why can't we?

Freya5

Lucca

Where are the Tory GNs ? I’d honestly be interested to hear if they agree with government’s stance on this.

No I don’t. How dare you blame us for this. Do you blame us for the war also, probably. Your hatred of your fellow country men and women is quite vomit inducing.

Oh, don't be so ridiculous and so unpleasant, Freya.

I will say that those I know who did vote Tory (not me!) are appalled by Priti Patel's intransigence and her preference to rules and regulations above traumatised people.

I meant Patel is unfeeling and cruel above - not my mother

Freya5

Lucca

Where are the Tory GNs ? I’d honestly be interested to hear if they agree with government’s stance on this.

No I don’t. How dare you blame us for this. Do you blame us for the war also, probably. Your hatred of your fellow country men and women is quite vomit inducing.

Freya5 I honestly think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. I read it as a genuine open question. There was certainly no blame placed and Lucca said that she wasn't making any political digs or argy bargy intended. I thought she was genuinely seeking opinion.

Lucca

Where are the Tory GNs ? I’d honestly be interested to hear if they agree with government’s stance on this.

Well, it seems a fair enough question.

Do you agree or not, *Freya?

Zoejory

*The child of Gujarati Indian parents who fled to the UK from Uganda just before Idi Amin’s decision to deport all Asians,*

The Guardian thought they'd fled, MaizieD

Wikipedia says differently:

Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in London.[3][4] Her paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala.[5] *In the 1960s, her parents emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire*[6][7] They established a chain of newsagents in London and the South East of England.[8][9] She was raised in a Hindu household.[10][11] Her father Sushil was a UKIP candidate for Hertfordshire in 2013.[12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel

Idi Amin didn't become president until 1971. Moving to the UK a few years before he became president is not 'fleeing'.

I'm afraid the Guardian Journalist is just repeating a myth. They're not infallible.

It is worth remembering that people voted this government in, not because they wanted it, many didn't, but because they considered even the Conservatives to be better than the alternative.

They voted on the basis tat faced with two unpleasant parties you vote for the least unpleasant.

Allsorts

I take it you’re happily living in a country that does share your views Maisie, can you tell me where please.

Where on earth has that come from?

What might my 'views' be?

Interesting.

The Ugandan Asians we know who fled here from Idi Amin's regime were very glad of sanctuary, though.

Sorry, MaizieD, I stand corrected. However, before the Amin régime, there was quite an unpleasant atmosphere in Uganda. We were told to be careful when we spent a night of our honeymoon in Kampala. We understood that tribal rivalries were being exacerbated.

Similar to S Rodesia (now Zimbabwe) annodomini.

People were leaving over years, but were not allowed to take any money or goods out with them.

Callistemon21

Similar to S Rodesia (now Zimbabwe) annodomini.

People were leaving over years, but were not allowed to take any money or goods out with them.

I'm not so sure about that, Callistemon

This is from a contemporary article (1968) on the subject

The panicked exodus of Asians trying to beat the deadline dealt the Kenyan economy a severe blow. Demand has dropped sharply along with heavy capital losses-- an average of 5000 pounds follows every Asian family that leaves Kenya

www.thecrimson.com/article/1968/4/24/asians-panic-pbkbenyas-asians-are-caught/

Obviously, £5,000 in 1968 was worth considerably more than now, 54 years later. Its equivalent value today would be about £75,000.

Do you have information that contradicts this story?

The only Ugandan Asians I know were young teenagers when they left, at least one unaccompanied, so I don't, sorry.

I do have relatives and friends who left Zimbabwe (and some who didn't) and some did manage to get money out, others had to just forfeit it.

Those who are proud of this country’s government - goodness only knows why- imagine family with young children and elderly parents plus luggage and pram, have travelled for a week , coming to be with U.K. family - get to Calais- told to turn round and get themselves back to Brussels, find the British embassy in a big city, to wait in queues for hours if not days, fill in endless forms and hand over cash - why oh why can’t they apply for visas in the U.K.?

MaizieD

Zoejory

The child of Gujarati Indian parents who fled to the UK from Uganda just before Idi Amin’s decision to deport all Asians,

The Guardian thought they'd fled, MaizieD

Wikipedia says differently:

Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in London.[3][4] Her paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala.[5] *In the 1960s, her parents emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire*[6][7] They established a chain of newsagents in London and the South East of England.[8][9] She was raised in a Hindu household.[10][11] Her father Sushil was a UKIP candidate for Hertfordshire in 2013.[12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel

Idi Amin didn't become president until 1971. Moving to the UK a few years before he became president is not 'fleeing'.

I'm afraid the Guardian Journalist is just repeating a myth. They're not infallible.

Thanks for that MaizieD.

I have yet to meet anyone who believes all that is written on Wiki though.. It is filled with urban myths, fake news and, on a personal level an old school friend of mine is listed as deceased. Which she's not.

I'll stick to a Guardian journalist thanks

Peter Brookes today

When I see the lined up prams on the station in Poland for Ukrainian mothers with babies and the German families at airports willing to take refugees in it makes me sad and angry that we are just putting obstacles in the way of these poor people.
This is a humanitarian crisis on our doorstep and we are doing nothing.

M0nica Priti Patel is a shame and embarrassment. Who runs the Home office, her or her civil servants?

You seem to be assuming that her civil servants are not doing exactly what she is telling them to do.

Michael Gove taking over the responsibility of Ukrainian refugees. That says volumes about the competence of Patel.

I haven’t heard that yet, thanks vegansrock
I really hope and pray that we’ll see some sort of improvement.

Zoejory

MaizieD

Zoejory

The child of Gujarati Indian parents who fled to the UK from Uganda just before Idi Amin’s decision to deport all Asians,

The Guardian thought they'd fled, MaizieD

Wikipedia says differently:

Patel was born on 29 March 1972 to Sushil and Anjana Patel in London.[3][4] Her paternal grandparents were born in Gujarat, India, before emigrating to Uganda, and running a convenience store in Kampala.[5] *In the 1960s, her parents emigrated to the UK and settled in Hertfordshire*[6][7] They established a chain of newsagents in London and the South East of England.[8][9] She was raised in a Hindu household.[10][11] Her father Sushil was a UKIP candidate for Hertfordshire in 2013.[12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel

Idi Amin didn't become president until 1971. Moving to the UK a few years before he became president is not 'fleeing'.

I'm afraid the Guardian Journalist is just repeating a myth. They're not infallible.

Thanks for that MaizieD.

I have yet to meet anyone who believes all that is written on Wiki though.. It is filled with urban myths, fake news and, on a personal level an old school friend of mine is listed as deceased. Which she's not.

I'll stick to a Guardian journalist thanks

Try this journalist, then, Zoejory. From 2013 (actually one of the Wiki citations)

www.ibtimes.com/priti-patel-mp-new-face-britains-conservative-party-1000142

But he also says that they fled, MaizieD

It's a rather flattering article to Priti Patel and her family.

Anyway, it's just a word and it means that much to you I'll not mention it further.

I am proud to be British as a rule but the way we are treating Ukrainian refugees makes me ashamed. These poor people have had no choice but to leave their homes, jobs, families, friends and communities behind. They are in a very uncertain world. They desperately need help. Last week a news item showed Germans at one of their major train stations waiting for trains full of refugees. They were there to offer a roof and safety to those people. The number of people offering support was greater than the number of needy refugees. Shame on us that we cannot do the same. Patel and the Home Office are not fit for purpose. They are a shambles.

Zoejory does you friend know that she can go on Wikipedia and delete the article that says she is deceased?

That's how it works.

Or you could do it for her.