What a surprise, Harry’s not coming.

If he was my son I would be very disappointed with him, it’s really disrespectful IMO.

I think the whole country is disappointed in him. He went from most popular Royal to bottom of the list in a very short space of time, and entirely due to his own behaviour.

I'm in this country and I'm not disappointed in him.

Beats Camilla, Edward and the York daughters into a cocked hat.

Not the bottom. Not by a long way.

yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

He’s going to the Invictus games though in the Netherlands!

volver

Beats Camilla, Edward and the York daughters into a cocked hat.

Not the bottom. Not by a long way.

yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

That poll was pre-Oprah.

I've no skin in this game really and don't keep up with "what Harry did next" - but every time I see a new H&M thread I can't help but think that he's going to be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - regardless of what it is.

It is possible to defend someone you don't particularly like.

If he did come, the tabloids would be awash with photo's of him from every angle (if they were able to snap him) and then he'd probably be accused of making it all about him.

Those that dislike him are never going to see any good in him and those that do like him will defend him... and it seems it provides light relief to some. Which is a shame, because Royal or not, all the people in this family saga are human beings and we're using their misfortune as a distraction...

Sparklefizz

volver

Beats Camilla, Edward and the York daughters into a cocked hat.

Not the bottom. Not by a long way.

yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

That poll was pre-Oprah.

No it wasn't. It was 2 months ago.

Why does it state 2021 at the top then?

Q4 2021.

Two months ago.

Actually I think it says Q4 2021. So Oct-Dec 2021.

Sorry volver, x post.

The royal family are indeed a family and as such they will have their quota of family members who show them up. Prince Andrew is the most obvious I guess, but the Oprah interview was so utterly shocking that I can’t imagine Harry and Meghan will ever be fully forgiven for it, by some family members, or by some of the public. I can only think how I’d feel if one of my children were to give an interview on television slating just about everything about me. I’d be devastated, utterly devastated. But because it was my child, I’d probably try to put it behind me. I’m sure Charles will do the same (so long as Harry doesn’t bad mouth Camilla in the coming book, because that might well be the final straw) but other members of the family will not forgive anymore than they’ll forgive Andrew, in my humble opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.

I think Harry is storing up a big list of “things I wish I had/hadn’t done” for future regret when it’s too late to put them right.

He has changed since Megan came on the scene, or has he ?

Was all this bitterness smouldering for years and she fanned the flames

The Queen has decided not to attend Commonwealth Day next week supposedly due to her mobility issues. It would be a lot of effort for her to manage on the day so best for her to let Prince Charles take over on the day. Prince Harry is not attending his grand-fathers memorial service as he has said that the U.K is too dangerous for him to come here, but it is okay for him to attend the Invictus Games in Holland.
I do hope that somehow Prince Harry can privately make a huge effort and somehow get himself to visit his grand-mother at Windsor who I am sure she would love him to call in for a visit. At the fantastic age of 95 years who knows how much longer the Queen will be around it would be good if he could remember that and do what is right for a change.

I am not disappointed in Harry. I’m disappointed in a certain section of the British people who have never met him or spoken to him who think they can judge him. At least he went to his grandfather’s funeral which in my opinion is the main event. When he and Meghan and his family do return to the UK, I won’t envy them one bit. Every expression will be analysed, the tabloids will employ lip readers… what I don’t understand is why Andrew, who has caused far more angst, is getting a reasonable press.

I think we can judge what we have heard him say about his family, our royal family, without having met him.

Jane43, I had my tongue in my cheek when I wrote what I did and I did not even know about the rodeo thing. I am a climate change puritan and a rodeo puritan too. I sincerely think PH seems quite a nice boy but very rich people can be morally eccentric. Anyway, he is young yet and has stuff to learn.

Germanshepherdsmum

I think we can judge what we have heard him say about his family, our royal family, without having met him.

But why so often GSM?

All the time, over and over, the same things, the same comments, the same assumptions...

And it does seem to get worse over time. Some of the things said about him today are despicable.

Why does it have such a long life? Because they appear in the news? Because they are having a life that so many people disapprove of? Because they are considered to have "let us down"?

I do hope that somehow Prince Harry can privately make a huge effort and somehow get himself to visit his grand-mother at Windsor who I am sure she would love him to call in for a visit. At the fantastic age of 95 years who knows how much longer the Queen will be around it would be good if he could remember that and do what is right for a change.
3nanny6

So do I, but then, having read the other thread about visitors popping by unexpectedly and Gransnetter's reactions, I have a vision of members of the Royal Family throwing themselves on the floor and hiding if Harry knocks on the door.
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Ladyleftfieldlover I haven’t seen any press coverage of Andrew that is in any way sympathetic towards him.

You appear to not understand why Harry and Meghan get bad press. It’s because of of the interview with Oprah. Would you like your child or relative to go on television and slate you for everything you’ve ever done?
I don’t understand how anyone can’t see what a horrible and disgusting betrayal that was to Harry’s family. It’s actually almost unbelievable to me that there are so many posters who cannot understand the word betrayal. You just don’t do what Harry and Meghan did. You just don’t! I’m not even a royalist but I can see the profound hurt that Harry’s family must have felt. That betrayal causing that pain will never go away for them.

But maddyone, why so prolonged? I asked this question above.

And with all respect, you don't know how Charles feels, or any of the rest of them. You are projecting what you think must be happening, on to them.

I just don't understand the prolonged hatred. If I had a child who was a suspected sex criminal, I'd feel worse about him than about whatever it is Harry's meant to have done

volver, I know you don’t have grandchildren (nor do I) but if you did, imagine your grandson and his wife going on a chat show and saying deeply hurtful things about your family, and saying he is writing a book which won’t be published until after your death. That can only mean that said book will contain unpleasant observations about you and perhaps your late husband.
I also know you’re not a royalist but those of us who are feel his betrayal of members of the royal family on an illogically personal level. I don’t expect you to understand that but I’m doing my best to explain, in answer to your question, why some of us are so shocked by his behaviour that we can’t let it go. It’s as if it were yesterday and he just carries on digging at the UK, for instance with his legal action against the Home Office. If he and his wife were to disappear into the private world they said they wanted I’m sure those who criticise them would be delighted. But they won’t let that happen because publicity = $$$.

You’re right volver, I am projecting what I might have felt had my child decided to trash my character on television (I’m not certain anyone would actually be interested in me as I have no claim to fame and no outstanding achievements) but I’d probably try hard to forgive him/her. I think Charles will also try to forgive Harry, but I’m not sure that the rest of the family will forgive and forget. What Harry and Meghan did would have been profoundly upsetting to the rest of his family. It is almost unbelievable that anyone would do this to their family, but believe it we must, because it happened. Harry has shown he has little respect or love for his extended family because if he had, he simply wouldn’t have allowed it to happen. No one trashes a family member that they love and care about to the local paper, never mind the to the whole world. The one thing I will say is that Harry had the grace to look uncomfortable and embarrassed at some points in the interview. These were the points when Meghan was speaking about things that have subsequently been shown to be at best misunderstandings, at worst lies.

GSM and maddyone, thank you for answering. I'm cooking right now but I'll make a longer answer later.