Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

No, no comments about that. I was just responding to your misunderstanding of the situation - based on your assertion that you would 'never know' how good it might have been. You can if you want to .

And don't be silly - nobody has justified threats of violence. You really are making yourself look foolish now.

I don't think you are being accused of anything I posted earlier a link to a statement that said the event had been cancelled because of the violence and threats on social media.
I fully expected that there would be condemnation about those threats and the cancellation of an event that was organised and featured mostly women. Apparently though it''s OK to threaten women who invited someone to attend that people on social media don't like.
Now I have absolutely no idea about the invited person. My concern is the level of violence which is acceptable by some people as long as it is aimed at certain people and not at others. And if Jo Public is going to stop women doing what they want well I'm sorry I am going to stand against Joe Public (man''s name anyway).
There is no justification for threats of violence to anyone whatever their views. I have said this many times but it falls on deaf ears on here because I don't like JKR (which is a bit like not believing in God for some people) Much as I dislike her I have never advocated or supported threats against her. All violence is wrong.
I don't particularly care about the voice of the person who seems to be the focus of this thread now. I do care about the women involved and I care about threats, whoever they are made to, or whoever made them, especially when they cause events to be cancelled.

Trisher posted that she doesn’t support
Anyone who tries to justify or excuse the violence and threats
So she obviously means anyone who supports all TW instead of the more moderate posters who only support those TW who mean no harm, and use no violence or threats towards AHF women and who seek to defend AHF against such violence or threats.
Now who could that be on here?

I’m unmoved about you having no respect for me. For me respect is a two way POV, as is lack of respect.

Chewbacca when you posted about the event being conducted online due to intimidation and threats, I think your comment
I’m taking that as being a sign that the Jo Public's voice is getting louder and louder and they're being heard. It's somewhat disingenuous to complain bitterly when the voice of a cis man nut job is criticised on line but its hunky dory and fair game when JKRowling suffers far worse. is 100% accurate.

Doodledog

No, no comments about that. I was just responding to your misunderstanding of the situation - based on your assertion that you would 'never know' how good it might have been. You can if you want to .

And don't be silly - nobody has justified threats of violence. You really are making yourself look foolish now.

See Doodledog you persist in telling me on-line is just as good although I have said for me it isn't. Wouldn't it be nice ifyou actually listened to my views for once.

Mollygo

Trisher posted that she doesn’t support
Anyone who tries to justify or excuse the violence and threats
So she obviously means anyone who supports all TW instead of the more moderate posters who only support those TW who mean no harm, and use no violence or threats towards AHF women and who seek to defend AHF against such violence or threats.
Now who could that be on here?

I’m unmoved about you having no respect for me. For me respect is a two way POV, as is lack of respect.

Chewbacca when you posted about the event being conducted online due to intimidation and threats, I think your comment
I’m taking that as being a sign that the Jo Public's voice is getting louder and louder and they're being heard. It's somewhat disingenuous to complain bitterly when the voice of a cis man nut job is criticised on line but its hunky dory and fair game when JKRowling suffers far worse. is 100% accurate.

Still tryiing to tell me what I think I see.

Apparently though it''s OK to threaten women who invited someone to attend that people on social media don't like.

Go tell that to Maya Forstater, JKRowling, Kathleen Stock, Marion Miller, Raquel Rosairo Sanchez, Jen Ives, Posie Parker, Emma Nicholson, Kara Dansky, Ceri Black, Issy Belstaffie, Miriam Cates, Sarah Ditum, Emma Webb, Jenni Murray, Helena Kennedy, Claudia Clare, Merci Meroki

They all might have a tale to tell about what it's like to be cancelled.

Chewbacca

^Apparently though it''s OK to threaten women who invited someone to attend that people on^ social media don't like.

Go tell that to Maya Forstater, JKRowling, Kathleen Stock, Marion Miller, Raquel Rosairo Sanchez, Jen Ives, Posie Parker, Emma Nicholson, Kara Dansky, Ceri Black, Issy Belstaffie, Miriam Cates, Sarah Ditum, Emma Webb, Jenni Murray, Helena Kennedy, Claudia Clare, Merci Meroki

They all might have a tale to tell about what it's like to be cancelled.

How many times Chewbacca if they have been cancelled because of threats of violence on social media I completely condemn it. If they have been cancelled because the organisation hosting the event didn't want them there that is the organisation's right.
Perhaps one link to something that didn't happen because of threats of violence?

The first day of the festival was originally intended to take place at Newcastle Library on Wednesday 23 March 2022, but to ensure the safety of everyone involved and to reach as wide an audience as possible will now take place online - date to be confirmed. We will be in touch with ticket bookers next week.

trisher Even the organisers seem to think it will now reach a wider audience. Of course online threats of violence are wrong whoever they're targeted at. It's a shame it won't be perfect for you, but for many who couldn't make it to the venue it will be lovely. Can you not find it in yourself to be pleased they'll have an opportunity, even if the backstory behind the reason is wrong?

You praise GagaJo for her posting on these threads. Yet you've made no comment on her branding a transwoman these organisers invited to headline the poetry reading at a 'celebrating women event' "a nut job cis man" although I suspect she doesn't know the transwoman personally. Do you agree with her assessment? Would you have commented if someone other than GagaJo had called the performer such derogatory names?

Trisher you are unbelievable!

If they have been cancelled because the organisation hosting the event didn't want them there that is the organisation's right. so an invitation to participate is withdrawn because of violent protest and threats, and you think that's OK because the organisation hosting the event are scared into changing their mind?

Rosie51

^If they have been cancelled because the organisation hosting the event didn't want them there that is the organisation's right.^ so an invitation to participate is withdrawn because of violent protest and threats, and you think that's OK because the organisation hosting the event are scared into changing their mind?

No if there was violence or threats involved it was wrong if the organisation just decided they didn't want them that is their right.

trisher Even the organisers seem to think it will now reach a wider audience. Of course online threats of violence are wrong whoever they're targeted at. It's a shame it won't be perfect for you, but for many who couldn't make it to the venue it will be lovely. Can you not find it in yourself to be pleased they'll have an opportunity, even if the backstory behind the reason is wrong?
Not if violence is involved.
I could say that JKR has enough money to be able to spread her views however she wishes . Would that make it OK for her to be threatened on social media? I think not.
The problem on here is that some people don't understand what having principles means.

The problem on here is that some people don't understand what having principles means.

The irony of that comment doesn't escape me.

Chewbacca

^The problem on here is that some people don't understand what having principles means.^

The irony of that comment doesn't escape me.

Nor me.

See Doodledog you persist in telling me on-line is just as good although I have said for me it isn't. Wouldn't it be nice if you actually listened to my views for once

trisher, I am not telling you how you feel about online performances versus in-person. An hour ago, however, you had 'no idea' who the poet was, but now you are disappointed that you were unable to go to Newcastle to see him. Forgive me if I am baffled - the show would have been yesterday, so expressing disappointment today seems . . . odd.

I thought it might be some consolation, as you would have missed the performance anyway, to know that you can catch up online, but clearly I am wrong.

As I keep saying, I have passed no comment on my feelings about the cancellation, but you have told me how I feel, and that it is akin to promoting violence. Not true, and offensive.

I see there is no comment about Rosie's question regarding the 'cis man nut job' remarks by GagaJo. I also pointed out that if any of the so-called GC feminists had used those terms there would have been fury, but predictably, the awkward questions are ignored in favour of attempts to catch us out in slips of the tongue, or goading us into saying something you can have deleted.

Doodledog

Chewbacca
The problem on here is that some people don't understand what having principles means.

The irony of that comment doesn't escape me.
Nor me.
Nor me.

If JKR had been invited to take part in an event and that was moved on-line because she had been threatened and her safety couldn't be guaranteed would that be better?

Better than what?

If you mean better than the original event, yes for me it would be, if I wanted to go, because I live hundreds of miles from where most things take place.

As for the threats - we don't, of course, know who was making threats to any event which was cancelled or hired extra security.
We do know that there have been a number of actual, physical attacks on women by men (usually trans-identified men) at some women's events.
I have not heard of any actual attacks on trans people at their events or mixed events such as this.
Of course, others here may know better than me on that.

Neither have I heard of GC demonstrations at trans people's events, even ones in the open air. I'm pretty sure that trans people would have publicised them if they did happen.
Yet we routinely hear and see trans people demonstrating noisily at GC events.

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

FarNorth

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

And Twitter is a powerful machine for encouraging people to do things.
Will there be support on here?

Ah so now I see the violence and threats that caused the cancellation were all imagined. Well that was probably because it was a women's event wasn't it? You do realise that. Whatever your views about the person invited- nut job, cis man, trans whatever, the women who put on the event have been silenced and apparently that's OK because they had the nerve to be trans friendly. Just goes to show here's another sort of wrong women. At this rate there'll be very few left who are OK.

Mollygo

FarNorth

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

And Twitter is a powerful machine for encouraging people to do things.
Will there be support on here?

Peaceful demonstrations are fine I've been on quite a few.

trisher

Ah so now I see the violence and threats that caused the cancellation were all imagined. Well that was probably because it was a women's event wasn't it? You do realise that. Whatever your views about the person invited- nut job, cis man, trans whatever, the women who put on the event have been silenced and apparently that's OK because they had the nerve to be trans friendly. Just goes to show here's another sort of wrong women. At this rate there'll be very few left who are OK.

Nobody said that, trisher. And as you know, the 'cis man, nut job' comments weren't from so-called GC feminists.

Loud and aggressive demonstration outside the venue of a meeting of "womans place UK" tonight in Manchester. Looks to be largely men. Police presence has been required.
Trying to drown out the voice of a young woman describing the horrors of female genital mutilation and the need for survivors to feel safe, among others.

Doesn't surprise me Ilovecheese; those pesky women just keep on forgetting that they need to shut up, move over, make room and be kind. They need to be reminded by men sometimes. Just in case they get any ideas that their opinions, rights and voices have any merit whatsoever.

Ilovecheese

Loud and aggressive demonstration outside the venue of a meeting of "womans place UK" tonight in Manchester. Looks to be largely men. Police presence has been required.
Trying to drown out the voice of a young woman describing the horrors of female genital mutilation and the need for survivors to feel safe, among others.

Vile behaviour. It's always the same. Woman's Place UK are never allowed to hold meetings without threatening, loud demonstrations trying to intimidate. Men and trans allies, and some transwomen.

Just so we don't forget it was GagaJo a trans ally who labelled the transwoman the organisers of The Poet In The City festival invited to headline the event as " a nut job cis man ". They obviously believe the nut job cis man to be a woman as this event was by women to celebrate women.