Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

Thanks Rosie51. I certainly won’t forget the information in your last paragraph. I’ve copied and pasted it on another site.

Big surprise trisher it's not so peaceful.

twitter.com/HanoverHussy/status/1507105132546297863

Tweet in response to a man who said he enjoyed being in the shouting mob.

Disgusting or possibly pathetic behaviour. What some SM will do for their 5 minutes of fame.
Typical SM behaviour, but at least if he was doing it as an SM, he wouldn’t be damaging the reputation of genuine TW.

FarNorth

Big surprise trisher it's not so peaceful.

twitter.com/HanoverHussy/status/1507105132546297863

I really don't know why you are aiming this at me FarNorth Iwasn't there and I don't believe I have ever supported or posted support for violence,
But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.
I condemn all violence.
We had a lovely refugee demonstration on Monday. Music dancing, all sorts! No violence.

But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.
Who are you talking about here, trisher?

Please be clear, as it sounds libellous to me.

At best you are telling us what we think, which is abusive.

My city is much better than this horrible demonstration. We are diverse and inclusive. These so called trans rights advocates are not a true representation of our citizens. Those poor women.

These so called trans rights advocates are not a true representation of our citizens

My city too Ilovecheese and I'm ashamed to have them there. The only positive thing that the transactivist thugs did last night was to publicise their willingness to show violence and aggression to a roomful of women who wanted to talk about their FGM experiences, their childhood abuse and why single sex spaces are so important to them. But TRAs couldn't give a damn about them. It's what men want that matters and sod any one else. Manchester hang your head in shame.

What was Andy Turnham doing in all this? Has he made his feelings known on the issue, or is he another who has been cowed by the TRAs?

Burnham, obviously

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Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

I really look forward to hearing a defence of that policy!

I suspect we'll have a long wait, though.

I really don't know why you are aiming this at me FarNorth I wasn't there and I don't believe I have ever supported or posted support for violence,
But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.

Because trisher your response to posts about the planned disruptive demonstration was :

Peaceful demonstrations are fine I've been on quite a few.

So I was commenting that it was not peaceful.

It wasn't unexpected that it would be so unpleasant. Demonstrations of that kind are a regular feature at women's meetings.
I have never heard of similar, or any, demonstrations at trans meetings. Have you?

In reply to your comment about violence only mattering if it's aimed at certain people - is there violence that you think is being disregarded?

FarNorth

Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women?

You'd think, wouldn't you? And given that women spend longer in there than men, we should have more provision, not less, to be 'equal'.

This has annoyed me ? It is as though women are being phased out.

It is, AGAA4. It gets disguised as 'being kind' to transpeople (and in itself there is nothing wrong with that), but in fact the TRA agenda is about erasing women. There is never any talk about 'being kind' to women who want or need single-sex spaces, or who want to have the vocabulary to discuss their bodies, or who want to have crimes committed against them by men recorded as such, or to have differences in income between men and women recorded by sex not so-called 'gender', etc.

Society seems to be going backwards where those with superior physical strength i.e. men can threaten violence or become violent to women who support the rights of women.

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women.
It would come under sex discrimination if it affected men and can you imagine the outcry if females all used the disability toilets?
I can picture “someone” or more than one “someone” shrieking discrimination for even thinking about it.

Rosie51

FarNorth

Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women?

Wouldn't it depend on how many toilets were designated for each category? If there is only a urinal in the male toilet and lots of cubicals in the gender neutral it would actually just be mixed toilets.
If you were a parent with children of the opposite sex you might be quite pleased because you could all use the same one

Ah trisher ever brimming with positivity. ?

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

Doodledog

GagaJo

What the Barbican's website says is that it offers gendered & gender neutral. It doesn't state that they've removed the women's option.

Well it wouldn't, would it?

Here's what they have to say about it. Basically that women have been pushed aside to make life more accommodating for trans and non-binary visitors. No question of men making space for them - oh no.

I've just read that. Here's a revolutionary idea. Why don't the women go into the ones with a urinal when there is a queue? If they all go there will be no question of anyone feeling unsafe. Except perhaps the men using the urinal who really won't want a gang of women looking at them (some of them won't be able to pee!!)