Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

Some people do not need a qualifying adjective, or even two qualifying adjectives, some people just are feminist. They care about and support women(AHF), regardless of race, colour or creed.
Feminists can also support other groups without having to label themselves.

Feminists can also support other groups without having to label themselves.
Or care about 'letting themselves' be labelled by others ?.

This is exactly what I was getting at earlier (lost track of which thread as so many were started at once). All the labelling and 'my team's better than your team' stuff is reminiscent of Monty Python.

If you don't self label, you will be labelled. In either a micro or macro capacity. LGBTQ learned this very early on.

Societies work that way. No matter how much we may try to view ourselves as individuals, we are always part of a range of categories.

Yes of course DD. Not caring about how you're labelled is a totally different matter

GagaJo

Yes of course DD. Not caring about how you're labelled is a totally different matter

Well that depends on who's doing the labelling, doesn't it? If they have a vested interest in doing down your reputation (or if your interest is in bugging it up), or if you are selling something, or marketing a brand then yes - get in first and seize the agenda.

But if you're just pootling about the Internet, thinking what you like and not slavishly following a point of view, then why should anyone care? It's not a competition (is it?)

bigging, not bugging ? ?

VioletSky

trisher the transgender wing would also protect trans women from discriminatory women.

Sadly that's a need at the moment

The percentage of male people claiming to be women, in the prison population, is much higher than that in the general male population.
Might it be that some of them are not acting in good faith and do not really believe they are women?
Why do some people want to accept the word of every male person who says he's a woman?

Even if the male person genuinely believes he is a woman, he actually is not.
Just as he is not Napoleon or Jesus, which some may claim to be.

That being the case, women prisoners should never have male people locked in with them.

GagaJo

If you don't self label, you will be labelled. In either a micro or macro capacity. LGBTQ learned this very early on.

Societies work that way. No matter how much we may try to view ourselves as individuals, we are always part of a range of categories.

Indeed.
The label 'cis' is being applied to women who are criticised as privileged bigots if they object to it.

Does anyone really care how others label them?

What does it matter? Do we need the approval of others?

FarNorth
Indeed.
The label 'cis' is being applied to women who are criticised as privileged bigots if they object to it.
Surely not. Who could possibly be that rude? I don’t know anybody like that I’m thankful to say.

Gender is a linguistic device. Sex is biological. The two should not be confused.

DiamondLily

Does anyone really care how others label them?

What does it matter? Do we need the approval of others?

As an older person, I don't care. I probably would have done when I was young. I think as we age, we rise above it, or at least, I have. But I'm not trying to 'be' anything in particular. Man, woman, inbetween, I'm not bothered what anyone else thinks.

Diamond Lily We all need the approval of other people to a greater or lesser extent, no matter what we say. There are studies of children who have been starved of attention that show they are deeply mentally damaged by it.

For me the defining factor is biology. Gender is a social construct.

On Nettiquette It says We take a dim view of . . . rehashing old arguments.
How on Earth are any of us still allowed to post on threads like these, or even keep starting new ones on the same subject thinly disguised under a new title?
Just asking.

You don't have to join in Mollygo. I'm not suggesting you don't. Just... Royal Family springs to mind. They proliferate too.

Oh no! The GN police are out again!!

There would be no threads left on GN to be honest.

Here is an aid to understanding - The Genderbread Person!

www.itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2011/11/breaking-through-the-binary-gender-explained-using-continuums/

(and, no, today's date isn't relevant)

Sorry to be a pain, FN, but I think that Genderbread idea has gone out of fashion because of the mention of Biological Sex. It's been replaced by a unicorn (not joking)!

Here it is . Sex is now 'assigned at birth' (of course).

I'm going to suggest my midwife niece 'assigns' every birth today under 'other' and designates them all unicorns.
Seriously, when will these people have some respect for people with dsds who have repeatedly requested not to be used in this way? There is no such thing as 'intersex' or 'other' there is no third, fourth or whatever sex. There are two sexes, male and female and everyone belongs in one or the other.

Oh and 'assigned'. How ignorant, sex is observed, and if it can't be immediately observed then genetic testing will ensure the correct sex is recorded.

Rosie51

Oh and 'assigned'. How ignorant, sex is observed, and if it can't be immediately observed then genetic testing will ensure the correct sex is recorded.

How accurate.
But . . .
For some, ignorance is bliss and they’re happy to be ignorant.

Doodledog I saw the Genderbread Person on Twitter! (so absolute guaranteed truth) posted by someone who said it had recently been used in their workplace training.

Absolute drivel whether you use one of those, or the GI Joe - Barbie rainbow scale.

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