Violence at Stop violence against women march

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I’ve never a seen a post from JaneJudge that would remotely class her as prejudiced bigoted or anything like it,

Why didn’t the trans activists just peacefully join the March ? If they are identifying as women , trans or otherwise then wouldn’t they want to stop violence against women/transwomen ?

Of course it doesn't JaneJudge , it just shows you as a caring and sensible person with actual experience and concerns.

Janejudge I think most of your comments on this subject are pretty fair and understandable

DiscoDancer1975

I’m sick of all of this to be honest.

You're not alone there. I suspect we might all get a lot sicker of it before the pendulum starts to swing back, though.

I really don't think this makes me a bigot/transphobe or anything else. I am being open minded enough to see how dangerous blanket policies are.
I agree, JaneJudge. This is not an area where blanket policies can possibly apply to all cases, and it is foolish to pretend that they can. It is also counter-productive to close down debate, even when it is wide-ranging and 'theoretical', as by the time it gets personal it is too late for the people involved.

I completely understand your concern for your daughter, and don't think that it is indicative of bigotry or transphobia at all. It is natural that a caring mother would see the potential for harm that could be done if laws that protect her are compromised.

I’m sick of all of this to be honest.

JaneJudge I totally agree with your post.

I think the trouble is people are frustrated that genuine concerns on other threads are being downplayed/ignored. It is all very well calling me a bigot but the truth of the matter is, I have an adult daughter with a severe disability who is much more likely to be abused, especially sexually by men. At present there are laws in place to protect her to a degree wrt personal care/female only led support but the proposed changes to law wrt transwomen/men muddied the waters. That was not to say I or anyone else thought transwomen were more likely to abuse people due to changes in law. More that MEN that want to abuse would now have access within a law that didn't even apply to them but now did because they could just say so.

People who abuse are incredibly manipulative and it needs to be acknowledged and any changes that affect safeguarding need to be considered carefully. That isn't transphobic, it is just being sensible.

Other examples apply obviously.

I really don't think this makes me a bigot/transphobe or anything else. I am being open minded enough to see how dangerous blanket policies are.

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The number of deletions here seems excessive and aimed at shutting down debate.

Galaxy DH positively wants people to hear her point of view, so as to counter the effect of the TWAW sector. FO is a new name to me, I’ll certainly have a look at her on Twitter. And I agree with AGAA4 that DH and others like her are brave.

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Rosie51

Some transwomen think they should be front and centre stage of the sex class they want to join, and get very angry when that hasn't happened. Some men just hate women and see being allies to transwomen as a convenient peg on which to hang their colours. They get to be abusive to women while claiming to be supporting a 'vulnerable group' I'd suggest this transwoman and friends meet those criteria. Isn't it strange that Ive never heard of violence from transmen and their allies?

That puts the point very clearly. Thank you.

Oh and a number of transmen are gender critical and are very supportive particularly in relation to looking at what is happening with children.

I am always a bit reluctant to post about gender critical transwomen, as they can get some terrible abuse, but I follow fionne orlander on twitter and they are brilliant.