Violence at Stop violence against women march

grumppa Thank you for your support. It was actually me who commented earlier in the thread that no men, to my knowledge, had posted on these threads. You doing so will hopefully encourage other men to do the same. And yes, you are one of the patriarchy but obviously one of the good ones ?

Thank you Grumppa your post means a great deal and is most welcome.

Grumppa I hope you will forgive me but I don't think your voice carries any extra weight as a voice for men in the debate in general because I believe in equality.

It's not really trans men that are being discussed but trans women.

The views on these threads aren't going to change but the biggest problems with those views aren't the issues that exist (they do).

The biggest problem is that every single thread is usually stating just one issue, yet every thread becomes about all issues, and starts to sound like an issue with trans people in general. All trans people are held responsible for all issues, for men mascarading as women and for the actions of those who take an extreme view. Which in my opinion is wrong.

This is also highlighted once again in the way trans allies are spoken too, because trans allies are held responsible for all the issues, are held responsible for men mascarading as as women and for those who hold extreme views.

Those are not fair reasons to discriminate against average, every day trans people or the people who want to make space for them.

Yet it is very incredibly obvious in these threads that it absolutely prevents any reasonable discussion or any hope of finding solutions to issues.

It's a shame

The evidence of the damage that the way this is being discussed is doing is also there. I hope you watch the video until the end.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54486122

Grumppa, I don’t expect you believe your voice carries any more weight than other posters. Thanks for contributing. For what it’s worth, all the men I share my life with share the concerns expressed by the majority on this thread.

I dont discriminate unless you mean sex segregation is discrimination. I would tell grumppa that he cant come in womens spaces, this does not mean I hold him responsible for the actions of men. I would have the same expectations of grumppa as I would a transwoman, do you think I am discriminating against grummpa? I cant speak for men but I dont think most of them feel that sex segregation is discrimination.

Sorry grumppa to use you as an example , it applies to any man.

Thanks for your input, Grumppa?.

The more new voices on these threads the better, as they get very ‘samey’ when it’s the same posters every time. On the whole, I doubt that a man’s point of view is likely to differ from a woman’s (ie everyone has an individual point of view, regardless of sex), but it may be that different life experiences can offer a different perspective, or put a slant on things that those of us socialised and ‘living as’ women hadn’t thought of. Don’t go away?

VioletSky, I did not seek or expect my post to carry any more weight than any other contributor's; I was simply responding to two posters' comments that so far no man had contributed to the debates.

Your assumption of what my expectations might have been as a member of the patriarchy, a membership that owing to my birth I cannot escape, perhaps sums up why so few men do join in.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread should perhaps have been my watchword, but I prefer to think that fools rush in and get the best seats!

The crown prosecution service reports that between 2012 - 2018, more than 436 rapes were committed by women. Rape is defined by the sexual offences act as when a person ‘intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person with his penis’
Those rapes were committed by men presenting themselves as women.

Unfortunately Iam64 these will be reported as female crimes when they are blatantly male crimes.

If anyone has a penis and testicles they are male, I am just amazed that this needs explaining to some?

Iam64

The crown prosecution service reports that between 2012 - 2018, more than 436 rapes were committed by women. Rape is defined by the sexual offences act as when a person ‘intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person with his penis’
Those rapes were committed by men presenting themselves as women.

Thanks for that Iam64.

Those in the trans community who would not do that are appalled, both by the attacks and by those making excuses or saying, *Well, women can cause sexual damage too using an implement so let’s change the definition of rape so that no one will actually be able say that men or transwomen did it’.
The opposite is true. If people want to change the definition of rape, or actually if the definition stays the same, the records must also be changed to show rape by male, transwoman, transman or female, so that there is no mistake about which body of people are committing these attacks and they should be reported as such. e.g. transwoman Shirley Evil was imprisoned in the trans section of X mens prison today after being found guilty of raping a woman. At the moment you have to search for that information.

Chestnut has posted a relevant link on the Gender thread, it’s to an article by Dominic Lawson in the DM. It’s worth a read. If I wasn’t so technically challenged I’d post it here. Maybe someone else can?

Iam64

Chestnut has posted a relevant link on the Gender thread, it’s to an article by Dominic Lawson in the DM. It’s worth a read. If I wasn’t so technically challenged I’d post it here. Maybe someone else can?

This should be the link:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10634127/DOMINIC-LAWSON-police-NHS-insist-male-bodied-rapists-women.html

Here is the link, Iam

To link, you type [[ then paste in the url, leave a space then add your text (in this case 'Here is the link, Iam'), then type ]] ? You can check it's worked by clicking 'preview' before posting.

Sorry, DiamondLily, cross posted.

Thanks Diamond and Doodledog

grumppa@ 08.16 ??????

Thanks for the links Iam64 & Diamond; so worrying and upsetting that crime stats are being deliberately manipulated to reflect male sex crime figures are going down, whilst female crime figures are going up. How can any right minded, sane person think that this is right?

Chewbacca

Thanks for the links Iam64 & Diamond; so worrying and upsetting that crime stats are being deliberately manipulated to reflect male sex crime figures are going down, whilst female crime figures are going up. How can any right minded, sane person think that this is right?

I don't think the vast majority of people do think it's ok.

But, as with any "cause", it's often the case that the quieter majority get drowned out by the more strident minority, and their loud demands.

I find it bizarre to try to give one small group their perceived rights, by trampling all over the rights of others.?

Still, hopefully, in the end, common sense will prevail.

I certainly would object to being referred to as a "bleeder" - where I come from, that's a form of insult.

DiamondLily
I find it bizarre to try to give one small group their perceived rights, by trampling all over the rights of others.

It is bizarre. It’s only considered OK by a small number of ill-intentioned people tw, men and women (AHF) who think that if males want something, they should have it their way!

Despite seeing the harm, both physical and mental that it can do to women(AHF), and the damage it does to the image of the many men and trans who have no desire to have everything their own way, these ill-intentioned people ardently support the days of patriarchy.

We’re seeing the same thing happen with a ruler, longing for the days when his country was all powerful, who is doing all he can to bring that about, no matter what the collateral damage in terms of mental and physical damage, even loss of life of innocent members of another country and even his to his own people that his actions will cause.

grumppa

*VioletSky*, I did not seek or expect my post to carry any more weight than any other contributor's; I was simply responding to two posters' comments that so far no man had contributed to the debates.

Your assumption of what my expectations might have been as a member of the patriarchy, a membership that owing to my birth I cannot escape, perhaps sums up why so few men do join in.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread should perhaps have been my watchword, but I prefer to think that fools rush in and get the best seats!

I'm used to it but it is a shame that is the only part of my comment you have chosen to address.

These issues matter and the way they are discussed matter..

When people can't see that, it's a shame

Chewbacca

Chewbacca

Thanks for the links Iam64 & Diamond; so worrying and upsetting that crime stats are being deliberately manipulated to reflect male sex crime figures are going down, whilst female crime figures are going up.

How can any right minded, sane person think that this is right.

Good question.
Only possible right minded and sane answer is, they wouldn’t think that this is right.

How any sane, rational, open minded person could justify any of this is beyond me. It’s difficult to believe some of these stories even though they’re true.

Read and weep ?

They’ve destroyed a wonderful talented writer.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10648259/Father-Ted-creator-Graham-Linehan-breaks-tears-trans-attacks.html