I think this will happen more and more

Rosie51

It's very telling that the reason Emily can't race is not because of the inherent unfairness of being male, having gone through a male puberty with all it's advantages, but because he is still registered male. Well he would be wouldn't he, he's been racing in the male category up to and including last week. Why can't Emily change pronouns and still race with her biological sex?

Yes. Emily's private life is (or should be) private, and could be lived 'as a woman' or not.

But that should be entirely separate from the racing. We don't ask about sports personalities' sexuality, as it's irrelevant. Why should 'gender identification' be any different? Competition should be graded by biological sex, and their private lives should be private.

I think that there needs to be trans categories in single sex sports, either that or the trans person continues to compete within the sex category they were at birth.

I know there are multiple threads on this subject, but I am not advocating for me, I am advocating for my DD, DiLs and GDs, they must not have any sporting aims dashed because someone decides they are female despite having male physiology steals their dreams.

Can Emily ever be registered as female?
Saying males can be a woman, may be inherently wrong, but it’s been made legal in the 2004 version at the request of men.

But saying males can be female would really be a lie, not even semantics.

Who on GN would tell lies, or endorse the telling of lies by others?

We’ve even had threads on “Is it ever all right to lie?”.
Are we to expect that the next step will be to demand that the word female must also be tinkered around with to accommodate men?

It's very telling that the reason Emily can't race is not because of the inherent unfairness of being male, having gone through a male puberty with all it's advantages, but because he is still registered male. Well he would be wouldn't he, he's been racing in the male category up to and including last week. Why can't Emily change pronouns and still race with her biological sex?

From what I understand sajid javid is going to do an interview on sport today, stressing the importance of biological sex. Labour will be unable to comment because they are pretty much incoherent on the subject. How many party leaders are going to be impacted by the inability to discuss this topic, Starmer is the third by my reckoning.

Emily Bridges has been banned from taking part this time. amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/30/trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-banned-from-racing-at-british-meeting-after-uci-ruling.
The reasons are to do with him still being registered as a man, but I’m not sure how one athlete can be allowed to take drugs and it be legal, yet another can be banned for taking drugs.

Big surprise, here's another one.

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1508712115233865729

gender of the person at puberty

The biological sex of the person is always the same, at puberty or any other time.

Genuine question here - I'd like to know opinions, particularly from the trans community who will have thought about this much more deeply: there is significant evidence that shows that it is the gender of the person at puberty that has a strong link with future athletic ability. I.e. that people going through puberty as a male will retain these advantages.

I understand, of course, many of the problems of using this to categorise (for sports) but what would be the philosophical support or objection to it?

FarNorth

You know how we're told everything in Ireland is just fine, with self-id of sex?

"Irish powerlifter 'felt cheated' after losing to transgender woman"

www.newstalk.com/news/irish-powerlifter-felt-cheated-after-losing-to-transgender-woman-1325401#Echobox=1648246332

She was cheated.

You know how we're told everything in Ireland is just fine, with self-id of sex?

"Irish powerlifter 'felt cheated' after losing to transgender woman"

www.newstalk.com/news/irish-powerlifter-felt-cheated-after-losing-to-transgender-woman-1325401#Echobox=1648246332

It will be interesting to see if they improve from their last race in the Dorpenomloop Rucphen (Elite Men) FarNorth. They scored 0 and were placed 0. But that might improve when they compete against women.

21 year old transwoman Emily Bridges is to race in women's cycling.

"Emily Bridges has continued to race against men for the past year while undergoing hormone therapy, and her successes include a gold medal at the recent University Championships in Nottingham."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10656169/Team-GB-cycling-stars-face-losing-Olympics-places-trans-woman.html

FarNorth

As I said, I did have a look.
There are quotes about having a lovely time with like minded people but I couldn't work out what they thought they had in common.
Maybe it's like the hippie love-ins, all appreciating each other's wonderfulness.

It might be like the 60's....when we all wore flowers in our hair lol
?

As I said, I did have a look.
There are quotes about having a lovely time with like minded people but I couldn't work out what they thought they had in common.
Maybe it's like the hippie love-ins, all appreciating each other's wonderfulness.

have a look. I know nothing more than what I posted....... There had been a gathering where i live so it was in the local news.......... seems to be anti this and anti that........ and it's national......standers are to start a crowd.... not good in my opinion

Standing For Women organises public speaking events at Speakers Corner in London and similar spots in other cities.

youtu.be/bFK5yLXacTg

lemsip I looked at the website but I don't understand what they are actually promoting.
And what are Standers exactly?

There is a national site as below.......they can choose whatever they want to discuss........our park has these meetings....note
Standers Will Be Provided

www.astandinthepark.org/
WOULD YOU LIKE TO START A STAND IN YOUR LOCAL PARK?
Just send us the name of your park and be there on Sundays from 10-11am. We’ll put the word out and get you some Standers. Make a Stand…. and make some friends!

According to the news report, at the time, yes, the meeting was ended early and the police escorted the attendees, through the protestors, to safety.

Was the meeting actually abandoned Diamond lily?
I didn't see that reported anywhere.

These shouting, bullying protestors, quite honestly, must have the brains of a rocking horse. ?

No one's genuine opinion or feelings ever got changed because they were being threatened, yelled at or abused.

If they had debated respectfully, with the biological women, both sides might have left that meeting with a better idea of each others feelings.

What, I wonder, gave them the idea that they had the right to prevent a perfectly legitimate meeting??

Iam64

What happened in Manchester is happening in every town or city where adult human females dare to organise meetings. It’s disgraceful but at least the attacks, bullying, attempts to shut down the debate are now being reported in MSM.

It’s horrifying.

And almost worse is the fact that this can be reported as one group of women disrupting the meetings of another.

We need words to mean what they say. Not what ‘some people’ believe. It’s not just the right to hold peaceful meetings that is at risk - it is the freedom of the press, and the right of the public to be told what is happening to women.

What happened in Manchester is happening in every town or city where adult human females dare to organise meetings. It’s disgraceful but at least the attacks, bullying, attempts to shut down the debate are now being reported in MSM.

If Trans and their supporters are so keen on being allowed to be heard, why are they invading a meeting, set up by biological women, to discuss keeping their safe spaces?

They were invited, provided there could be proper respectful debate, but just turned up outside and just caused such a ruck that the meeting had to be abandoned.

Police had to accompany the attendees to safety.

So, aren't biological women, with perfectly valid views, allowed to be heard in this "brave new world" we inhabit?

Are we to be silenced and just told how it has to be now? ?

(Apologies the link is from the DM, but it was the only one I could find without a paywall).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10654579/Trans-rights-protestors-besiege-feminist-campaigners-meeting.html