I think this will happen more and more

The bottom line on this is that Thomas knew he wasn't good enough to compete in the male category and never would be; he never ranked higher than 462rd in any race he entered. It's pretty obvious that the prize money, kudos of being a champion, (no matter how unedifying his means of getting there would be) meant that his only chance of winning was to compete against women. The only good thing about this now is that, like all cheats, his victory is hollow. He's despised and reviled amongst his peers and his "victory" has, at last, opened more people's eyes to the iniquity of males v females in sports. The unfairness of it is certainly being discussed globally.

Of course some sports are mixed sex because there isn't any perceived advantage from being male or female, so they compete on an equal footing. The Equestrian events for example, show jumping, dressage, eventing, cross country jumping, and even commercial horse racing. Formula 1 has had female drivers competing against male ones. Sailing has mixed events. Where a sport divides according to sex it is usually because males would have a physical advantage over females, either speed or strength.

So it's okay for Lia Thomas to expose their genitalia to their female team mates in the locker room, albeit this is not something they want to see as they have stated it makes them feel uncomfortable, but nevertheless have been told it's something they have to put up with If however, they were ever in the position of having a similar experience outside the confines of the locker room presumably they could report that as indecent exposure

snowberryZ If you’re on Twitter, then look at Ross Tucker, he’s an American sports coach/broadcaster. He explains in great detail, but in terms easy to understand, the advantages that transwomen have because of having gone through male puberty. He is very strongly against transwomen competing against women, especially in contact sports.

I'm absolutely certain that £2.5 million had no influence on Thomas entering the competition any more than originally being ranked 462nd in the world as a male, and then suddenly become 1st when competing against women, had anything to do with it. No siree, not at all.

And personally I'd disagree that allowing people who have been disqualified from competing due to naturally occurring levels of hormones to compete too. I think bans are there for a very good reason and should remain. Period.

The other women in the changing room report that this person likes them to see that he is still a man in the changing rooms he is just taking full advantage of a situation that is delicate and can easily be manipulated
I really have no time for him long hair and a dress does not make a woman and this is such bad news for trans in general

Chewbacca

Spot the difference....

Thanks Chewbacca. Lia (must remember to pronounce Leea not L I a). So unkind to the reputation of most transwomen.

Haha doodledog! And here's me thinking it's just for the glory Great reference to the brilliant Caroline Aherne, much missed.

Thanks Doodledog for Mrs Merton. It took me a minute to get the point but now I’ve shared it (unnamed) with my FB friends.

Hurray
VS agrees that men competing in womens sport is wrong. She says @12:11
That everyone who wants to compete should get to compete but not from a place of unfair advantage.
I didn’t make that up or twist it. It’s there in the post and I’ve copied the post in case it’s removed.
So VS, since it has been proven that males competing in female sport puts them in a place of unfair advantage You know that means it’s cheating and it’s wrong. ???

Spot the difference....

nanna8

I have always been of the thought that sports is one of the issues that need a common sense approach.

That everyone who wants to compete should get to compete but not from a place of unfair advantage.

Not just to allow trans people to compete but to allow those who have been disqualified from competing due to naturally occurring levels of hormones to compete too.

I am sure this can be made to happen but not personally sure how because I'm not involved in sports myself.

The biggest takeaway here though is that trans people are facing more discrimination because of this issue and that's just wrong regardless

Nannee49

I can't get my head round what would be the motivation for transwomen to enter competitions if they know, before their transistioning is completed, they are still bigger/stronger and therefore have an advantage and are more likely to win purely through that. To me, any victory on those terms would seem a bit hollow.

What motivated you to enter the competition with the £2,500,000 prize money, knowing you had a biological advantage, Ms Thomas?

nanna8

I have a very dear and close friend who is trans and absolutely appalled by this cheating person. She feels it gives all of her trans friends a bad name and draws out hatred and discrimination where before there was some but not to this degree. A cheat is a cheat.

Yes Nanna8. A cheat is indeed a cheat. Even trans people are saying it is wrong and that it implies all trans are the same which adds to any problems they face. Sadly it is unlikely that the cheats feel any remorse for what they are doing.
What is worse is that the cheating is endorsed by women who cannot see anything wrong with cheating.
If those involved with young people as some on here claim to be, are teaching that cheating is right either by saying that or by demonstrating it by their words and actions, even on GN, they should be ashamed. (But I don’t hold out much hope.)

I can't get my head round what would be the motivation for transwomen to enter competitions if they know, before their transistioning is completed, they are still bigger/stronger and therefore have an advantage and are more likely to win purely through that. To me, any victory on those terms would seem a bit hollow.

nanna8

I have a very dear and close friend who is trans and absolutely appalled by this cheating person. She feels it gives all of her trans friends a bad name and draws out hatred and discrimination where before there was some but not to this degree. A cheat is a cheat.

I'm so sorry your dear friend is having that experience. She and her friends should not have to face more discrimination unfairly like that

I have a very dear and close friend who is trans and absolutely appalled by this cheating person. She feels it gives all of her trans friends a bad name and draws out hatred and discrimination where before there was some but not to this degree. A cheat is a cheat.

volver

Right then. So it's nothing to do with Manuel 's sex, it's to do with the drugs Manuel has taken.

It’s to do with safety.

Ok so I am unable to post pictures

Try again

Just saw this

maddyone

‘She’ is not she, she is he! He is a complete male, has not had his genitals removed. No one with a penis should be allowed to compete in female events. It’s wrong and totally unfair on the female competitors.

It's funny how they want to get rid of all their male characteristics except that very body part that has I Am Male written all over it.

Surely someone who truly wants to be a woman would be repulsed by having one?

‘She’ is not she, she is he! He is a complete male, has not had his genitals removed. No one with a penis should be allowed to compete in female events. It’s wrong and totally unfair on the female competitors.

I don’t think that would work Brigeit. I’m taller and heavier than sone men I know, they all have greater strength and speed than I.

I’m with mollygo, or alternatively, separate competitions for trans people

Perhaps it should be categorised in the same way that boxing & wrestling is.
Example : Heavy weight, light weight, bantam weight etc..