Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

No wisdom, no empathy, no class.

I’m less despondent than most of you seem. I think the economy’s going to be the final nail in his coffin. It’s important to remember who the audience is at the party conference.

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

Dear God.

Here we go.

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

Post of the day???

To make this comparison just demonstrates how unstatesman like Johnson is. He's an opportunist and grateful for this distraction. It's shameful.

Casdon

I’m less despondent than most of you seem. I think the economy’s going to be the final nail in his coffin. It’s important to remember who the audience is at the party conference.

I think the economy is about to go into free fall, but the tories have been consistently blaming Labour for it (well, for everything, really ? ) for the last decade so I don't expect recession to have any effect at all on tory votes. It's the Goebel's tactic; it works.

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

Urmstongran. What did you think of his comparison about Ukraines situation and our Brexit vote, that is the question ??

Not a discussion of germanys weapon supply.

I've just listened to the extract of the speech and he also said some countries in the West wanted to normalize relations with Putin but we don't. Which countries they are, he didn't say. He's also said Starmer would show Putin the white flag.

What a despicable man he is, truly.

There are a lot of Conservative voters out there who do not support Mr,Johnson.

I am one of them.

I disagree MaizieD. The party faithful will stick with the Tories, but most voters aren’t the faithful, they vote for whoever they think the economy is safer with. Johnson’s ‘charisma’ is seriously tarnished, so he won’t save them now.

Lucca

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

Urmstongran. What did you think of his comparison about Ukraines situation and our Brexit vote, that is the question ??

Not a discussion of germanys weapon supply.

Asking again

Sorry. But I don’t think it’s doom and gloom.
Yes he’s addressing the party faithful so the narrative is going to be gung-ho. I get that.
But I still believe this government is doing some things well - vaccines (thanks of course to Kate Bingham but Boris did at least think outside the box - at least he didn’t let the inept and slow NHS England take control of procurement), the furlough scheme, aid to the Ukraine, Liz Truss negotiating with the Iranians over Nazanin which finally secured her release after over 40 years of the money owed to Iran being released from an escrow account. Yes, he blunders in, but he is popular (less so these days - will he bounce back from ‘Partygate’? - probably). Which understandably annoys the hell out of some voters. Yes, he gets things wrong or makes faux pas but he does bang things together in the hope of making change.

Did you think his comparison was acceptable ? Yes or no ?

Do you think it's appropriate Urmstongram to compare fighting for your country's freedom in the war in Ukraine with voting in a referendum about membership of a free association of nations?

Cross Post Lucca

Some Tory voters on here seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land. If Johnson bounces back from Partygate then this country really has gone to the dogs. Johnson’s antics really aren’t funny or entertaining any more. He should never have got that job.

Funny how the Johnson sycophants never answer the questions instead talk about vaccines . A bit like their hero really.

GrannyGravy13

There are a lot of Conservative voters out there who do not support Mr,Johnson.

I am one of them.

I have friends in the same position GrannyGravy. I think I said elsewhere we talk about the "Johnson Government" when we discuss politics as they cannot associate themselves with it.

However, it will be difficult for the centrist Conservatives - which is what my friends are - to pull back from what this New Right government has done to them.

It's off-topic, I know, so appologies, but this is another reason for PR. What I believe is the small number of those who share Urmstongrans point of view should be represented, as should what I would guess is the much larger number of those who have right of centre views. In just the same way the small number of out and out Communists and the left of centre voters should have a fair representation.

No I didn’t like his analogy. I thought it crass. Offensive? Hmm. I get what he means. It’s about freedoms to choose how a sovereign state would like to live. The UK overall chose Brexit. Sorry but it’s true. On GN forums this isn’t reflected I appreciate that but it doesn’t alter the fact. Out there, in real life, it’s what the voting public wanted.

But his comparison was flawed. A war is nothing like Brexit. Nowhere near. To think otherwise beggars belief.

Good post Urmstongran I understand the sentiment of what he said, but entirely wrong in its method of delivery and extremely insensitive to the citizens of Ukraine. He does appear at times to be devoid of empathy and self awareness.

I saw on Twitter Ed Davy MP comparing Mr,Johnson to Basil Fawlty. One of the replies was (this is a paraphrase) yes he (Mr,Johnson) is totally like Basil Fawlty, a legend, Basil had 12 episodes let’s hope Boris has 12 years

There appears to be a firm support base for him amongst the electorate.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I think this comment shows an overdose of New Right. You are in good company Urmstongran; Gove tried it the other day.

We are not "putting ourselves down" as I am sure you are well aware. However, it does show your need to deflect from posters pointing out the truth about Johnson.

The New Right are your party - I get that. Insulting other posters by saying they are "constantly looking for negatives" and "It seems to cheer them up" is not attractive if you are hoping to win over people to hold them up at the next election.

Casdon

I disagree MaizieD. The party faithful will stick with the Tories, but most voters aren’t the faithful, they vote for whoever they think the economy is safer with. Johnson’s ‘charisma’ is seriously tarnished, so he won’t save them now.

I think that 'Labour is bad with money' is as deeply and ineradicably ingrained in the voting public's mind, along with Thatcher's appalling lie that a national economy is the same as a household economy; that everything is funded by the taxpayer.

If you don't believe me just look at all the 'we (the UK) can't afford it' statements made by nearly every Gnet poster on thread after thread. This despite any evidence to the contrary that one tries to present.

Nope, the tories have got their excellent reputation for economic competence well and truly in the bag...

We’re allowed to disagree MaizieD, I still believe that in the end the economy will be Johnson’s downfall. People have short memories, and the average voter is going to be swayed by the ‘anything is better than this’ mentality as they become worse off.
news.sky.com/story/cost-of-living-crisis-why-economic-pessimism-among-voters-could-have-major-political-consequences-12569526

We’re allowed to disagree MaizieD

Handbags at dawn at 50 paces, Casdon ?