Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

Maybe not, but (a) I'm being upfront, not snarky, and (b) I was talking about the neutral observers - obviously I couldn't possibly comment on the opinions of 'the opposite side' .

Fair enough. Nice to be civil ??

I’ve appreciated the more civil approach of the OP side. I thought it would be just as appropriate to have opened a thread entitled Deliberate and Orchestrated silencing of female rights supporters on GN. The attacks on AHF supporters appear more deliberate and less willing to concede anything, using ideas like , ‘I don’t wish harm on females’ but without being willing to agree safe spaces for AHF should remain.

Except that's not true Mollygoand you are lumping us into one basket which is where the OP comes in.

Not listening to what people actually say is effectively silencing them

I can think of one post without even looking for it, which ‘qualified’ the keep safe spaces for women by adding “if needed”.
So who is the arbiter of whether they are needed or not? The AHF who need them? Or someone else?
If I ask on here if safe spaces for AHF should be kept or set up ie needed without any further qualification.

How many posters would say yes there should be safe spaces for AHF?

How many would say, no there is no need for safe spaces for AHF?

How many would hedge and haver by adding ‘if’ or terms under which they feel the safe spaces are needed?

What would you answer? Yes? No? or hedge?

You are reading something into it that's not there....

I've always agreed women should have safe spaces.

Whether or not that includes trans women is not my business. I wouldn't tell victims of trauma who they should share spaces with during recovery

Predictably, I would say that yes, we need single sex spaces. I suppose I would qualify that slightly, as I don't think we need to separate by sex all the time - mostly it doesn't matter.

I think they should be there when women feel vulnerable - so when they are undressed, when they are distressed, ill, incapacitated and so on, and when they would be at a disadvantage because of a sex-based strength differential. We don't need single-sex libraries or cake shops, but we do need single-sex hospital wards and prisons. We definitely need sex-based sports, and where an Arts event is intended to celebrate women, I would argue that a common-sense approach is needed, with the benefit of any doubt falling on the side of keeping it to females. As I said on another thread, something like a poetry event to celebrate womanhood could include a poet who lives as a woman, but not one with a beard and a misogynist attitude. It is sometimes nuanced, but the Herstory debacle most certainly wasn't!

VS Not listening to what people actually say is effectively silencing them.

Not reading what people actually say is effectively silencing them.

I didn’t ask about women because by some patriarchal juggling, that word now has to include males.
my post, which you evidently didn’t read so I’ll post it again said,

If I ask on here if safe spaces for AHF should be kept or set up ie needed without any further qualification?

How many posters would say yes there should be safe spaces for AHF?

How many would say, no there is no need for safe spaces for AHF?

How many would hedge and haver by adding ‘if’ or terms under which they feel the safe spaces are needed?
Or twist my words to suit their purpose?

What would you answer? Yes? No? Hedge? Twist?

Trans people should be able to do sport and they should be able to participate in events celebrating their journey to womanhood.... And journey to manhood if that's a thing

I think sports can be organised fairly otherwise we wouldn't have the paraolympics

I think a trans person's journey to becoming their authentic selves is worth celebrating and they deserve their place in history too

Your place in history is meaningless if you are a man beating a woman. Its similar to me winning the under 8 s sack race.

Go Galaxy go!! We’re rooting for you.

Having reflected on it and my current physical condition, it might not be wise to put any money on it.

Galaxy I meant literally history, where trans people have existed for a long time. They aren't a new phenomena

Ive got completely distracted by the sack race now VS

Galaxy

Your place in history is meaningless if you are a man beating a woman. Its similar to me winning the under 8 s sack race.

Perfectly put, Galaxy.

Even I would have a chance at winning at sport if I competed against the primary school 2nd reserves.

Trans people should be able to do sport and they should be able to participate in events celebrating their journey to womanhood

I'm happy for trans people to play whichever sport they like.

However, in competition it just isn't fair .

How would you feel if your granddaughter had spent years cycling. Training. Hours of dedicated hard work. How would you feel if a trans person decides to compete and knocks your granddaughter out of a place? Would you think it fair?
It's happening right now

www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2022/03/27/62407cdd268e3e6b0d8b45c6.html

Critics say Bridges could leave some current Olympic medallists out of the strong British team but she says she is complying with the current rules.

I suppose that's OK with you, VS?

I think under 8s in a sack race might suprise you, some of them are savage competitors

I rarely comment on these threads, but I have spent the last few days thinking exactly what Galaxy and Zoejory have said here.

Thank you so much
And there we have it! The answer is . . . Hedge or Twist. I can take that as read from the previous post, though I am sorry I didn’t include can’t answer as an option.

Galaxy and Zoejory, I am in complete agreement, and so, I think we’d find, are most trans people.
I can’t believe, no, I just find it hard believing that anyone on here thinks that being trans means they lose their sense of honour or their acknowledgement of the harm that some trans are doing in the name of transpeople.

Mollygo

Thank you so much
And there we have it! The answer is . . . Hedge or Twist. I can take that as read from the previous post, though I am sorry I didn’t include can’t answer as an option.

Mollygo please stop telling me what I think when I have clearly answered you.

Its the 4th time in 2 days and a clear demonstration of why the OP is justified.

Just because I'm not personally bothered about sharing a refuge with a trans person doesn't mean I ask that other traumatised women share them. Never have, never will. Trauma isn't something that can be turned on or off to suit others, I respect that and they can have whatever space they need to heal, if that's cis women only that's fine by me.

You must know that not all women in refuges would mind a trans women being there (coming from someone who lived in one for a year) you just won't allow them a voice.

No you haven’t answered. You simply twist words to give the answer you want.
A clear indication of why it would be justified to put ‘deliberate silencing of female rights supporters.’
You never read/comprehend how many times posters have said that not all TW are harmful and that females need protection from those who are.
However, I have read your posts. I have asked you about safe spaces for females. You only choose to answer about women.
TW cannot be female, ergo you haven’t answered yes or no to the question, simply hedged, by adding more words and twisted by changing the words I used.
I was warned.

Mollygo

Sorry that's ridiculous.

It's now the language I use?

I said "cis women", same thing

I think what I think, some things I agree with others on and some things I don't and I'm certainly not ashamed to be honest about that and there is no logical reason not to be.

I don't need your approval or your vote or anything from you at all.

So what you are saying makes no sense

Also, what does "I was warned" mean?

I’m just wondering if there will ever be any trans men competing against males in any physical sport? Hmm….doubt it!