the law as it stands on sex - part 3

VioletSky

Ew.

Excuse me?

You can see who it was if you look back.

I also know how algorithms work and when you have successfully typed a name several times, it will come up correctly, not autocorrect to a word that doesnt exist.

As I said, I am done engaging in dishonest discussion.

The decent thing to do would be to ask for this thread to be taken down.

No one owes you their time, especially when basic respect is ignored

I no longer want to be part of this thread.

VS I will not engage in a dishonest discussion where the very OP misrepresents me and my views. that is a very unjust and untrue accusation to make against Doodledog who quoted you
Thats exactly what was said any time anyone asked for their rights... Others complained it violated theirs. It didn't and it doesn't
and then she went on to say how transwomen insisting on using single sex facilities, and wanting the right to compete in women's sports does violate women's rights. Your It didn't and it doesn't is being refuted. You owe her an apology.

I think, on some gadgets, auto-correct does put random words in, totally altering the original meaning.

My IPad does, frequently, and the problem with this forum is that there is no edit button.

It might be a good idea if they introduced that.

But, no one has to post on anything, anywhere. It's a voluntary act.?

Late last night I posted this extract from The Times on The previous thread. It's a huge step forward in protecting vulnerable children, who are often wrongly being given gender hormone treatment by the NHS, and set on a life long irreversible course.

The health secretary thinks the system is “failing children” and is planning an overhaul of how health service staff deal with under-18s who question their gender identity.
Javid is understood to have likened political sensitivities over gender dysphoria to the fears of racism in Rotherham over grooming gangs.

That overly affirmative approach where people just accept what a child says, almost automatically, and then start talking about things like puberty blockers — that’s not in the interest of the child at all,” the ally said.

The review has already come across a number of adults that were given these life-changing drugs as children and are now saying, ‘Why did you do that? Because that wasn’t my problem. I was sexually abused. I was being bullied,’ ” a health source said. “We need to find out how many of these people there are.”

A senior government source said Javid believes “far too many public figures have been avoiding [gender issues] for too long” but argued: “There is a militant lobby that doesn’t want a debate.”
His allies say the “toxic” discussion on gender issues makes it harder to raise questions of child welfare.
Some around him say the question has been likened to concerns he raised while home secretary about the failure to tackle child exploitation by gangs of predominantly British-^^Pakistani men in Rotherham. The senior government source said: “There is the same theme of not being afraid to tackle issues that others might prefer not to talk about.”

Full article here: go.skimresources.com/?id=470X1650972&isjs=1&jv=15.2.4-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2Ftalk%2Fwomens_rights%2F4535829-javid-compares-fears-over-trans-issues-to-fears-of-racism-in-rotherham&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2F0fea92e4-c265-11ec-8413-422ef6319ad0%3FshareToken%3Df3b10324b4fd398ce341189a72a727dc&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=2906f93e71e9243c6160d4a11be411f4&xjsf=other_click__touchstart%20%5B%5D

Hitting the report button again are we? <sigh>

Chewbacca.

Good for Javid, I think sometimes in all this, people forget that children are children, and what they think they want can often change.

Teenagers are all hormones, angst and confusion anyway, added to often being under peer pressure - if they are unhappy about anything, they thrash around thinking doing a,b, or c might make them happy.

Surely anything radical, or life altering, could wait until they are old enough to make adult choices?

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I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

That's exactly it Diamond; its the very fact that, at a tme of confused emotions and sense of identity at puberty, children are being almost rail roaded into making irreversible decisions that they could regret for the rest of their lives. This is a looonnnggg way from either^allowing them to lead their best and authentic selves^ or being kind.

Hilary Cass, a former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, has been leading a review into NHS gender identity services for children. In interim findings last month, she said children were being affected by a lack of expert agreement about the nature of gender identity problems, a “lottery” of care and long waiting lists.

Javid is said to be particularly alarmed by her finding that some non-specialist staff felt “under pressure to adopt an unquestioning affirmative approach” to transitioning and that other mental health issues were “overshadowed” when gender was raised.

“This has been a growing issue for years and it’s clear we’re not taking this seriously enough,” an ally of the health secretary said. “If you look at Hilary Cass’s interim report, the findings are deeply concerning and it’s clear from that report that we’re failing children.”

What a load of waffle. Females and Males and Trans people should have separate facilities and separate Sports. It's that simple. I take exception to Trans persons in female changing rooms and toilets as I'm a very private person. I have my rights, they, he, she or it have theirs. Just stop encroaching on mine.
Most Trans people just want a quiet happy life like the rest of us. I mean in all honesty what is a great Trans person doing swimming with a bunch of females half his, she or it's size.
You can insult my views til you're blue in the face, I've got better things to do than worry about it.

Rosie51

VS I will not engage in a dishonest discussion where the very OP misrepresents me and my views. that is a very unjust and untrue accusation to make against Doodledog who quoted you
Thats exactly what was said any time anyone asked for their rights... Others complained it violated theirs. It didn't and it doesn't
and then she went on to say how transwomen insisting on using single sex facilities, and wanting the right to compete in women's sports does violate women's rights. Your It didn't and it doesn't is being refuted. You owe her an apology.

Thank you, Rosie.

I was genuinely just trying to continue a discussion that came to an end because of the post limit. No other agenda, and definitely no misrepresentation. It is really not my style.

Nor is any sort of deliberate mistyping of someone’s name. I know I could go back and look to see if the typo VS refers to was one of mine, but I really cba, and nor can I honestly believe that someone would bring something like that up. It’s all a bit childish - I’m reporting you/you called my friend a name.

I very much doubt that I will get an apology, but you never know.

However I have now reached my limit. Does this statement mean that you're no longer participating in the discussions or is it another threat please vs?

Thanks Chewbacca for that link. I hope all this sunlight on this subject will lead to far better care for children and adolescents. They can start with stopping the absolute lie that puberty blockers are 'fully reversible' they're not. Even where they can be deemed medically necessary as in the case of precocious puberty they are used for the absolute minimum of time, because of their effects on a growing body.

Try to rise above it Doodledog; these threads have uncovered so much information that we've been able to share with an increasing number of posters who are similarly concerned about the erosion of women and children's rights. It's the sharing of information and data that we all come across that gives me optimism that the general public are slowly waking up to what's being going on whilst we all looked the other way.

VioletSky

I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

Obviously, you have the absolute right not to post on a thread.

Do what makes you happy. ?

VioletSky

I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

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Rosie51

Thanks Chewbacca for that link. I hope all this sunlight on this subject will lead to far better care for children and adolescents. They can start with stopping the absolute lie that puberty blockers are 'fully reversible' they're not. Even where they can be deemed medically necessary as in the case of precocious puberty they are used for the absolute minimum of time, because of their effects on a growing body.

I would have moved Heaven and Earth to keep my kids away from all this.

Teenagers are often flaky, wanting changes of all sorts, but most grow out of it.?

I think the trish to trash was my post. It was an auto correct mistake, although it usually autocorrects to trush and I usually notice and sort it.

VS choose which threads we join. . .
I note you are still choosing to join this thread.

Dishonesty where males misrepresent themselves as females in specific circumstances?

That's the issue isn't it Diamond? Young people who are still discovering who they are, whereabouts they fit in the world and wondering whether their feelings and emotions are "normal", appear have been frog marched into gender reassignment clinics with little done to support them until they're absolutely 100% sure that they do want to alter their bodies for the rest of their lives. This is encouraging:

Javid is understood to be preparing legal changes that would give Cass access to an NHS database of children treated by the service to see how many later regretted taking puberty-blockers and less reversible cross-sex hormones.^

“The review has already come across a number of adults that were given these life-changing drugs as children and are now saying, ‘Why did you do that? Because that wasn’t my problem.

I can't help but wonder how many claims will there be in the future, from adult patients who were wrongly advised to undertake gender reassignment treatment, when they were too young to fully appreciate what they were doing? Will the TRAs and their allies be their to pick up the pieces I wonder?

Trasher is not a real word, this is not autocorrect at work.

I no longer want to be part of these discussions where me and my views are misrepresented and have been saying so since the beginning of the second thread.

I would ask respectfully that my name is left out of it.

The decent thing to do would be to restart the thread without an OP that misrepresents my views to others reading and that leaves me out of the new discussion entirely.

My iPhone dies similar typos MollyGo; no matter how many times I type "Keir Starmer" I have to go back and correct it from Starker!

Chewbacca...at various stages of my teenage daughter's adolescence she was convinced that being taller (she's a short arse like me), having curly hair, having a bigger bust etc would make her happy.

I paid for a perm, told her she'd never be taller, and that a boob job could wait until she could pay for it.

She's now mid 40's, happy with her straight hair, and happy with her bust lol.....but still a short arse.?

Will the TRAs and their allies be their to pick up the pieces I wonder? I doubt it. Normally it's said there's only a 'very few' which without the figures nobody knows. I thought that came out during the Kiera Bell case, that no follow ups are done, people are processed on a conveyer belt with absolutely no forward or backward regard. At each stage there is a complete lack of any collecting of data to process eventual outcomes. Didn't the Tavistock have to admit they had no idea how many children that passed through their hands to be prescribed puberty blockers then went on to cross sex hormone treatment, let alone surgery?