Tories accuse Angela Raynor of "doing a Basic Instinct"

Somebody’s reputation is about to go right up the Swanee river, good on the female minister(s) for reporting. It’s like watching a soap opera at the moment, you couldn’t make it up.

Sky reporting that it was a MINISTER!!

Who wasn’t present at PMQs

Gove? JRM? Not sure who else didn’t turn up who is male. I did notice most of the cabinet was missing.

Well if the porn-watcher was a Minister and was watching it in the Chamber, no wonder the person reporting it was also a Minister, they'd be sat together on the front bench. What kind of complete moron would look at porn when sat in such close proximity to a colleague. I hope they are named and shamed and sacked.

I have only seen that it was someone on the front bench, not necessarily a minister. Surely it will come out soon, and just reinforces the fact that the culture is toxic, and there is little discipline in the government.

I suppose if someone on the government front bench was to recline with his gaze directed towards the Labour front bench he might get a good view of legs. How many lazy recliners have we seen on the government front bench? Does that narrow it down?

The attempt to compromise Angela Rayner by reporting her laughing when the femme fatale issuer was raised with her, totally ignores the reason women do this. It’s usually an attempt to diffuse, to avoid being accused of being humourless, frigid, mad feminist etc
Angela is coming out of this well. Much better that the MoS

Gove? JRM? Not sure who else didn’t turn up who is male. I did notice most of the cabinet was missing.

I'm not sure that JRM would know what porn is. It might need to be explained.
I could be wrong.

He (or she) was seated next to a priest at the time, rumour has it...

Unless they actually deal with this individual then speculation and rumour will be rife. Every time a government minister Is interviewed about how this person should be dealt with they do not seem to have any idea. Perhaps hoping for it to join partygate being kicked down the road, whilst the Ukraine war rages.
Whilst some may think these issues petty, the real concern is that there is no leadership in the government and discipline has disappeared. The authority of the leader is so important in the crisis we are now in with Ukraine.

Will Hutton tweeted:

The law of unintended consequences. The Mail group’s misogynistic attack on Angela Rayner sets up the chain of events leading to Neil Parish’s resignation,more soiling of the Tory party’s reputation and Rayner strengthened.Hardly the result it wanted

DaisyAnne- you’re on a roll, for which I thank you

I think she would be a fool if she hadn't done what she has been accused off/ admitted.

All is fair in love and politics and I am sure all MPs, both sexes, use every availble trick in the book - and a lot more - to distract their opponents and disconbobulate them. That is all she did, and it seems to be successful. Now she cannot use that ploy anymore.

Having seen her on the front bench on the news, since she came into prominence, I thought that she might be using her looks and dress style to disconcert the opposition, but never having seen Basic Instincts, or bothered to read much about it, the parallels did not occur to me.

Ohh look. Back to the fifties.

M0nica

I think she would be a fool if she hadn't done what she has been accused off/ admitted.

All is fair in love and politics and I am sure all MPs, both sexes, use every availble trick in the book - and a lot more - to distract their opponents and disconbobulate them. That is all she did, and it seems to be successful. Now she cannot use that ploy anymore.

Having seen her on the front bench on the news, since she came into prominence, I thought that she might be using her looks and dress style to disconcert the opposition, but never having seen Basic Instincts, or bothered to read much about it, the parallels did not occur to me.

Wow
Flashing your nickers to distract the PM seen as reasonable but has to be ditched when found out.
What a cynical, anti women post that is IMO.

the 50s? Very fashionable these days. And there is nothing specifically 50s about using your physical attractions, male or female, to you or your causes advantage.

To think it doesn't happen these days, very much as it always did, is naive in the extreme.

M0nica

I think she would be a fool if she hadn't done what she has been accused off/ admitted.

All is fair in love and politics and I am sure all MPs, both sexes, use every availble trick in the book - and a lot more - to distract their opponents and disconbobulate them. That is all she did, and it seems to be successful. Now she cannot use that ploy anymore.

Having seen her on the front bench on the news, since she came into prominence, I thought that she might be using her looks and dress style to disconcert the opposition, but never having seen Basic Instincts, or bothered to read much about it, the parallels did not occur to me.

Blimey!

Yes, WWM another nasty, baseless attack has backfired as has M0nica's scurrilous post.

Who, I wonder, thought old-style sexism was a good idea? The coward who spoke the Mail (did they exist or was it a Johnson clone?) ended up painting Johnson as a lecherous old fool.

It then led us to question what he had learned from his expensive education and his Oxford debating-society training neither of which screened out the possibility of him being distracted by a women's legs. Legs he could only imagine as they were obscured by the despatch box.

Who does M0nica or anyone else think gains from this story? I am so sorry for Angela Reynor's family who has been put through this by people who just don't care who gets hurt. Angela has shown herself to be a strong woman and I hope that strength gets her through the misogyny - that coming from another woman too.

What was scurrilous about my post? AR has admitted she did what she did and I am congratulating her on doing it.

Her mistake was admitting it, otherwise she could have continued to distract Boris from what he was saying., which could only be to her party's and the country's advantage.

M0nica

What was scurrilous about my post? AR has admitted she did what she did and I am congratulating her on doing it.

I must have missed that.

When did she admit it?

I do not understand what is remotely mysogynist about my comments. This ploy is used by both men and women.

have you seen the pictures of female performers at film premiers and the like, many dressed in dresses so ephemeral they barely cover their breast and genitals. Are you really say they are wearing dresses like that because they enjoy waering dresses like that, that they wear dresses like that when having a quiet evening at home with their mums, or would be happy to be seen out dressed like that with their fathers?

They are merely doing it for the attention they attract - and do you think every man there, fails to notice how much is on display and most will respond to it. Would the male response be much the same if they all came dressed as nuns with a veil over their face?

I fully understand, how we think people ought to behave and respond, and I am with you. But how we want, and hope people behave, and how they actually behave are so often disappointing - and that includes the behaviour of those we like and admire.

This is a wind up, isn't it?

Chestnut

To be fair she apparently 'admitted as much when enjoying drinks with us on the terrace' so it's entirely possible although she would never admit it publicly. It would be a very easy thing to do whilst protesting it's not deliberate. Who would ever know except her?

As I said back at the beginning of this thread. People heard her! But everyone jumped on the bandwagon to defend her and have a go at the Tories at the same time. As expected.

By the way, wouldn't Boris be directly opposite her legs when he stood up? The dispatch box wouldn't be in the way then.

I'm going to shout again, sorry.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADMITTED TO.

As I said as the beginning of this thread.

Have people forgotten all they learnt about reading for comprehension?

volver

I'm going to shout again, sorry.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE ADMITTED TO.

As I said as the beginning of this thread.

Have people forgotten all they learnt about reading for comprehension?

What did she 'admit to', volver?

I know she has a laugh about it, as any sensible woman would because it's too ridiculous not to...