Tories accuse Angela Raynor of "doing a Basic Instinct"

She is a revolting woman. Why would you sit in Parliament with your skirt nearly up to your knickers? Perhaps she hasn't the brains to be able to carry a position which requires a bit of a brain and intelligence, without degrading women by hoisting her skirt up to her backside

But is it up her backside? Or just that she has crossed her legs and her skirt is resting on them? Not sure how she sits has much to do with her brains really!

I mean, lets consider all those men with their splayed legs, (regularly seen in Parliament, on the tube trains, offices, anywhere you like to look (if you do!) crotches in full parade, and quite often decidedly lumpy ...which may or not be because of the type of underpants they wear!! Are they "degrading men", expressing their "personality", "playing a power game", being "revolting men" or ....?? Any suggestions?

Ooh, I must retire to my chaise and put a cold flannel on my head!

I'm still over dosing on smelling salts whilst sipping on a light sherry ...!!

? Don't understand that.
Probably because I'm not a deputy head, I expect.

MissAdventure

Wong.???

Grandmakath

Revolting woman. Will she stop at nothing?

... so you take it is truth then?

Even though the allegation is from from an un-named source - too cowardly to come forward. That's if it's even true.

With your high moral standards you must be appalled at Johnson who has children from affairs - one of which he conducted whilst his then wife was undergoing chemo for breast cancer... and installed his mistress into Downing Street prior to making a 'decent' woman of her.

Or is that different?

Well that escalated quickly.

MaizieD
By the way I'm a deputy head. What do you do?

MaizieD

Lets just say its a wind up if that makes your higher intellectual level more comfortable.

MaizieD
Not sure what 'nominative determinism means in this context but you are obviously one of our liberated women friends who have their heads so far up their backside that they are ruining it for all us 'normal' women. This is google's definition, so what the **are you talking about or are you one of those women who think intellectual debate is a sign of higher intelligence above us who only have a 2:2 "the theory that people are psychologically predisposed to pursue occupations or interests that resemble or evoke their names in some way.
"if nominative determinism were foolproof, Rob Raven should rightly be working with birds".

I should imagine she has a fair bit of brains and intelligence, Wong.
Have you sat in parliament? (with or without your skirt hoisted)
No?
Didnt think so - that's why you're still getting barged out of the way on your commute to work.

Aaaahh, Wong...

A bit of nominative determinism there, I think.

Or a windup...

But did the DM spell her name correctly, Nannee49?
It’s Rayner. With an E.

She is a revolting woman. Why would you sit in Parliament with your skirt nearly up to your knickers? Perhaps she hasn't the brains to be able to carry a position which requires a bit of a brain and intelligence, without degrading women by hoisting her skirt up to her backside.

What's the right way, then?
Perhaps you could enlighten us ladies.

Get a life ladies!!! Life is difficult and unfair. Just get on with it. I'm fed up with women complaining. Instead of complaining, get on with life, prove your worth and we'll all get there. Do I mind not getting a seat on a train and being pushed out of the way rushing for the train, being abused etc etc. just because a group of women want to be equal to men. Don't you get it? We are equal as human beings, we just have to prove our equality in other ways. If we are as strong and equal as we think, this shouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, I'm old school and want to be feminine and a total female but if I do it correctly I can have the other benefits men have if I go the right way about it.

Revolting woman. Will she stop at nothing?

Who are you referring to?

Urmston, you’re plugging the tribal depths by suggesting Starmer can’t comment because he doesn’t know what a woman is. Starmer’s comments were concise and to the point. Misogyny, sexism, bullying, attempts to undermine female M.P’s is a well established pattern of behaviour in Westminster. If this disgusting episode pushes a bit towards change, it’s worth it.

MissAdventure - great posts on this, thank you ?

She has a cracking pair of legs. Rachel Reeves probably does too.

Whitewavemark2

Channel 4. News just reported that one if their journalists spoke to a Tory MP who said that he knew who had commented on Rayner to the DM. So it seems there is some truth that there is indeed a source.

Read it and weep.

This, from a journal I imagine many here would “hold their noses” at - and yet often speaks just common sense ( The Spectator):
Boris Johnson's government is often characterised as having a whiff of the 1990s 'back to basics' sleaze and sex scandals about it. Some appear to have taken this rather too literally and have taken us back to the films of that era, with the ludicrous briefing to yesterday's Mail on Sunday about Angela Rayner allegedly imitating Sharon Stone in the 1992 film Basic Instinct as a means of distracting the Prime Minister. All hell has naturally broken loose following the emergence of that story, with a series of developments of note this afternoon.
The first was that Boris Johnson made very clear he didn't associate himself with the anonymous claims that Labour's deputy leader was deliberately crossing and uncrossing her legs in the Commons, saying: 'I have to say I thought it was the most appalling load of sexist, misogynist tripe, and I immediately got in touch with Angela and we had a very friendly exchange.' He said he would unleash the 'terrors of the earth' - a reference to King Lear, just in case you hadn't had his excellent Oxford Union training that Rayner was apparently trying to compete with - against whoever had briefed the story. But it has led to another debate about sexism in parliament, with plenty of female MPs making clear that while they are furious with the story, they are not surprised, given the wider culture in Westminster.
The second big development was the Speaker Lindsay Hoyle announcing in the Commons that he would be summoning the editor of the Mail on Sunday to a meeting with the chair of press lobby. He said, in a statement at the start of the session: 'I share the view expressed by a wide range of Members – including, I believe, the Prime Minister – that yesterday’s article, which reported unsubstantiated claims, was misogynistic and offensive. That is what we believe. I express my sympathy to the right hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne for being subjected to this type of comment, which, in being demeaning and offensive to women in parliament, can only deter women who might be considering standing for election, to the detriment of us all.'……..
perhaps one grain of hope for women in Westminster is that very few people have bothered to defend the stupid briefing, either in its sexism or indeed in its daft assumption that Rayner really struggles in debate against Johnson.

So….whilst we all pretty much knew the Mail was a scurrilous rag, does no one else think that some progress has demonstrably been made when the CONSERVATIVE Party seeks to dissociate itself with it? Or would that kill the
“Tories are Evil Misogynists” line? And that “Anatomy of a Scandal” was very good TV, but not necessarily the attitude of Westminster today?

Channel 4. News just reported that one if their journalists spoke to a Tory MP who said that he knew who had commented on Rayner to the DM. So it seems there is some truth that there is indeed a source.

Husband was privately educated at an “allegedly”good school and he hated every second. However when we had children a) we didn’t have any money and b) he said it would be the last thing he would ever do was to privately educate his children.
I like Angela Raynor - she doesn’t waffle, stutter or look out of her depth in the Commons. She has had to work extremely hard in life - unlike some.

GillT57

Urmstongran

And Keir Starmer does not know what a woman is so he is unable to comment.

oh for heavens' sake! I do remember you were one of the main posters getting terribly outraged when Ms Rayner told the truth called the Tories Scum, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised. On a sadder note, I hate to see posters who are self made, who have done well by their own efforts, turn on someone else who has done the same, all because she, and it is nearly always she, speaks differently.

And he did, of course comment, so it’s not true.

He said: “It is rank sexism, rank misogyny. She was really disgusted that all of her political attributes were put aside for this ridiculous, offensive story.

“She shouldn’t have to put up with it but all women in politics shouldn’t have to put up with it. Almost every woman in politics has had an element of this in some shape or form.

“We have got to change the culture. The culture in Parliament, it is sexist, it is misogynist. We need to change it.’

Quite right too.

MissA please stop it! You're making me laugh too much