So is JRM incredibly thick, a liar or both?

Whitewavemark2

JRM. “Brexit was an act of self harm”

So why did he lie so much about the advantages to be gained from it?

Has he actually said that? If he has I need to go for a lie down...

He believed we were going to get a “cake and eat it” Brexit.

He said it would be an act of self harm to implement the Brexit treaty which the government claimed a complete triumph at the time. So no checks on goods coming into the U.k. from the EU. Exports going into the EU from the U.K. are being checked though. Hmmm who does that benefit?

I m a staunch remainer and could see exactly what would happen what I will never understand is how intelligent people didn’t see it either
JRM is cunning and like the others he doesn’t understand the word truth if it hit him in the face

So very glad we’re out of it?

Are you able to articulate why so we can understand your perspective Allsorts?

BlueBelle

I m a staunch remainer and could see exactly what would happen what I will never understand is how intelligent people didn’t see it either
JRM is cunning and like the others he doesn’t understand the word truth if it hit him in the face

Intelligent people didn’t vote for Brexit.

vegansrock

He said it would be an act of self harm to implement the Brexit treaty which the government claimed a complete triumph at the time. So no checks on goods coming into the U.k. from the EU. Exports going into the EU from the U.K. are being checked though. Hmmm who does that benefit?

Perhaps he should have allocated more time to the parliamentary discussion of the 'agreement' and spoken up during it to say that implementing it would be an act of self harm. Did he do that?

I don't think he's particularly thick, I think he's counting on Brexit voters to be thick enough to believe him... and to not be concerned about signing International treaties in bad faith...

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.

Our unprecedented run of agreement is over

The last referendum cost £130 million. For comparison, that's about the same as we spend on defence in one day. Other countries are falling over themselves to join the EU. We wouldn't need years of negotiations because most of our systems are still close enough to the EU ones that we could slot back in pretty easily.

Sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned

Today the police raided a Tory peers property over a covid fraud in the supply'of PPE

The fraud was over £200 million which is peanuts compared to the amount of money the Tories have absolutely squandered on PPE, the billions of furlough money fraudulently acquired because of the complete lack of checks by the government, and to suggest a mere £100 million was too much ……..well what price democracy?

Tbh I think another referendum would be utterly ridiculous. For the U.K. economic security we should start proceeding asap

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t agree. Even though I voted to remain I wouldn’t vote to rejoin in the expensive referendum there would obviously have to be. Years of negotiations again. What’s done is done.

Our unprecedented run of agreement is over

The last referendum cost £130 million. For comparison, that's about the same as we spend on defence in one day. Other countries are falling over themselves to join the EU. We wouldn't need years of negotiations because most of our systems are still close enough to the EU ones that we could slot back in pretty easily.

Sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned

We are free now to adopt any of the EU regulation now but that would mean their supervision, so don’t hold your breath on that happening.
Maybe in a decade things may change, until then we tough it out.

I don't think JRM is thick, or at least, not as thick as this comment can be interpreted as. He is absolutely a liar. As are most of the Tories. I don't think the majority of them particularly cared about Brexit. It was a means to an end to get them into power again. They all future proofed themselves for the inevitable s**t show, because they knew it was coming while peddaling the lies to the populace about the advantages.

The point is, Europe will be very reluctant to have us back. BJ et al have sold us down the river.