Nationalism the fashionable form of government

If it was down to me I wouldn't have another referendum yet. The next time we vote it has to be obvious that the answer will be Yes. Because we'll only get one more go in the foreseeable future. That said, whenever they ask me, my answer will be Yes.

The reason that the SNP exist is to work towards an independent Scotland. It's not sensible to ask them to stop doing that, it's why they were created and why they exist.

Aveline, if we never get another referendum because the vote was No the last time, we shouldn't get a chance to vote for a new government because the vote was Tory last time. Aaargh!!

A lot has changed since last time.

I always thought DEMOCRACY meant you were allowed to vote on the same issues more than once....oops seems I got it wrong or does that only apply to everyone who isnt living in Scotland ?
I've been a supporter of Independence since 1`967 when Winnie Ewing won Hamilton ,she was an inspiration.
Thats a long time to wait BUT not as long as 1955 which was when we last voted a Tory majority .
Maybe tory should be removed from our ballot papers ,we dont vote for them..same as we didn't Vote yes.Yet there they are ,every election! So if you dont mind ,and even if you do,we'll exercise our right to another referendum.
After all I was raised never to give up at the first hurdle

volver

This the constant chorus from people who think they are exposing the truth, that the majority of people do not vote SNP or for independence is getting very wearing.

More people voted for the SNP in first preference votes than voted for any other party. That's why they keep winning elections. There's a trend across social media right now to selectively pick on one aspect of the voting and try to pretend it changes things; it doesn't. The SNP keep winning elections. That's it.

And the last time we voted for independence, a majority didn't want it. That's the only time we've been asked. Polls and newspaper opinion pieces don't count. If we are asked again then we can say what the outcome is. Not until then.

More people did vote for the SNP in first preference vote…. but as an overall percentage of the Scottish people it was very low .
34.1 %. of the population voted SNP. One in seven of the population. Add in the Greens who also support independence …. 6 %. Of the vote. So about 41 % .
The majority of the Scottish population did not vote for an Independence Party. I did not include Alba as their votes were so low. Now we all know that these were council elections and people may vote differently in an Indy Ref. .. also there would be a bigger turnout. But looks like on that showing that the Independence parties still have a bit to go .

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I always thought DEMOCRACY meant you were allowed to vote on the same issues more than once....oops seems I got it wrong or does that only apply to everyone who isnt living in Scotland ?

It means you have to keep voting until you give the right answer ?

wheniwasyourage a referendum is different from a general election!

Maybe tory should be removed from our ballot papers ,we dont vote for them
But if there is a candidate they have to be on the ballot paper even if they end up losing their deposit.

And if a government is elected on a manifesto that includes offering the population a referendum, then they have to offer the electorate a referendum

That's how it works in this country.

And however you cut it, the SNP/Green coalition are the government of Scotland. So we can magic up all the polls we want Yogagran70, and make irrelevant analyses of the voting in the recent local elections Cathymac, but the Scottish Government was elected on a manifesto that included offering the electorate a referendum.

Ergo....

Oh, and Cathymac. 34% is 1 in 3, not 1 in 7.

Aveline

But we already voted on independence and said no. Why do it again? It'll only reopen the already nasty divide and the continuing uncertainty will lead to further economic stagnation. What if we vote no again? Will SNP keep trying? If so, why?

Because that's how democracy works. There are so many weird ideas around. I wonder what made you think that one referendum is all you can have?

Wasn't supposed to be once in a generation?
A generation could be 16 years, it could be 40 in some families.

It is generally reckoned to be about 25 years so only another 17 years to wait.

People can all conjure up all the excuses they like about why we shouldn't have another referendum.

But the political party who offered the people a referendum were elected to government. All the stamping of little feet and beating of little fists you can muster won't change that.

Once in a generation is at least 25 years, not 8/9 years, the majority of people in Scotland are fed up with all the bitterness that has been caused in Scotland by this, Scotland used to be a happy place to live but not now, especially for English people, sad

Yogagran70

Once in a generation is at least 25 years, not 8/9 years, the majority of people in Scotland are fed up with all the bitterness that has been caused in Scotland by this, Scotland used to be a happy place to live but not now, especially for English people, sad

Is question whether the majority of people are fed up. I'm pretty happy. My DH, who is English by birth, is pretty happy. My parents are very content indeed. Just spent the evening with some friends. All professionals or retired professionals, mixed independence supporters and unionists. They're all pretty happy. Some of them are even English.

But then none of us are miserable sods who sulk if we don't get our own way.

Lololol

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I honestly had not seen this before I posted last night. It's good though.?

I am Scottish...live in Scotland and I totally agree with you. Scotland under SNP is in a huge mess and it would be catastrophic for us to break away from the UK. We would be in a dictatorship....which we are almost in at the moment under Nicola Sturgeon.

Oh aye. A dictatorship.

North Korea look to Scotland for ideas about how to go about things. ?

Sums it up

There's a serious conversation to be had about how Scotland is being run and should be run.

Any election material which blames the SNP for "perverse school sex education" and repeats lies about the misleading of parliament has already shown that they are not acting as serious interlocutors.

Is this one of Murdo's?

Maybe if there’s an Indy2 in Scotland and the majority vote for it (which I doubt but just suppose they did) then the abysmal governance by the SNP can be sidelined and handed over to another party as independence will have been sorted. And if Indy2 fails to bring the result the SNP are hoping for, perhaps people will stop voting for them? Well, apart from Glasgow & Dundee.

Oh my goodness, I found the source. ?

What kind of sites are you following Aveline? ?

I think Indy2 should go ahead. ‘Once in a generation’ isn’t cutting it for some. Best to crack on and decide once and for all. But if it fails no best of 3! Time to put this uncertainty to bed and move forward in whatever way the Scottish voters decide.