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The loss of freedom of speech, of sidelining women and biology

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DiamondLily Thu 12-May-22 12:47:27

I've been asked to repost this:

'Julie Bindel had a pretty horrendous time whilst delivering a (previously postponed) lecture to York University's Free Speech Society.

The activists, who say we must be "all be kind" didn't display much courtesy or kindness to her.?

She was abused, accused, screamed at, and had placards thrust in her face. The TW mob were out in force, and she was "invited" to kiss their "man-boobs" and told things she could do with their "trans d*cks".

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10806353/JULIE-BINDEL-explains-female-students-bullied-hearing-feminists.html

Meanwhile, in the Court case involving Alison Bailey, Stonewall tell us that there are no such things as male and female bodies. They don't exist...?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10807211/We-not-inherently-male-female-Stonewall-campaigner-says-bodies-just-bodies.html

It sure is a funny old world out there in Trans La-La land.

Wheniwasyourage Mon 27-Jun-22 17:57:55

Doodledog

Yes, at my work there are now GN toilets. Guess which ones were taken over? Clue: it wasn't the Gents'.

So now there are Gents' and GN, and no Ladies. And yes, the seats are left up, and there is pee on the floor.

Given that women always have to wait longer for a free loo, it seems 'inconsiderate' to allow men to add to the problem - almost as if we are second class citizens.

It's difficult enough to find enough women's loos, given the limitations of human biology in not allowing females to pee standing up. We need more loos than men do for that reason alone. This is totally ridiculous!!! angry

We are rapidly becoming second class citizens, Doodledog. angry angry

FarNorth Mon 27-Jun-22 18:04:20

At least we have experience of periods when so fractionally less ridiculous, I'd say. smile

Deedaa Mon 27-Jun-22 18:13:04

OK I am totally lost for words now. What exactly are biological men going to do with sanitary products? The mind boggles. I know I've seen adverts for dresses and realised that they are being worn by men but this takes it to a whole new level shock

SueDonim Mon 27-Jun-22 18:37:22

Deedaa

OK I am totally lost for words now. What exactly are biological men going to do with sanitary products? The mind boggles. I know I've seen adverts for dresses and realised that they are being worn by men but this takes it to a whole new level shock

I hope you’re not having your dinner right now, because this is what can happen. Look away now if you have a sensitive stomach!


Biological males can buy a capsule thing filled with artificial blood. The capsule is inserted ‘where the sun don’t shine’, melts and the liquid seeps out onto a pad. ?

Chewbacca Mon 27-Jun-22 18:40:23

Sanitary products aside for a moment.... I've just noticed that the packet of Whiskas cat treats (the ones that caps leap through brick walls for) that I bought today are "proud to support the LGBTQ community". Tiddles will be delighted. ?

SueDonim Mon 27-Jun-22 18:57:34

My cat’s never told me what his gender or pronouns are. Maybe I should ask him. I mean - they. grin

Chewbacca Mon 27-Jun-22 19:24:56

I've just asked The Great Arnoldo (otherwise known as the ginger tom) what his gender is. He directed me to the empty space under his tail and glared at me malevolently.

Smileless2012 Mon 27-Jun-22 19:52:00

That calls into question the mental stability of any man who would want to use such a thing. What's the point? It's hardly going to recreate having a period is it.

Iam64 Mon 27-Jun-22 19:59:06

There’s an entertaining thread on mumsnet where people (ok women) are self id’ing as all kinds of things

FarNorth Mon 27-Jun-22 21:15:30

Tweet saying :

"It's harder for straight people to criticise this for fear of being called homophobic, so as a gay person I'm going to say this straight up - this horrifies me. It's creepy, resembles totalitarian regimes, is massive and unwarranted overexposure and never seen for other groups"

Lentilweaver Mon 27-Jun-22 21:25:32

Doodledog

Yes, at my work there are now GN toilets. Guess which ones were taken over? Clue: it wasn't the Gents'.

So now there are Gents' and GN, and no Ladies. And yes, the seats are left up, and there is pee on the floor.

Given that women always have to wait longer for a free loo, it seems 'inconsiderate' to allow men to add to the problem - almost as if we are second class citizens.

Sounds like a case for direct action to me. Simply relabel the toilets, so that the gents is GN and the ladies is the ladies again. Bonus points if you can get convincing looking copies made in the style of the original signs. Put a boiler suit on and take a tool box and a clipboard, no one will challenge you.

SueDonim Mon 27-Jun-22 21:26:09

Chewbacca ?

IKR, Smileless. Some of them even claim to have period pains. hmm

Doodledog Mon 27-Jun-22 21:31:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NanKate Mon 27-Jun-22 22:04:40

Well if transwomen are going to fake a period, I hope they have some way of experiencing the pain as well. ?

NanKate Mon 27-Jun-22 22:06:00

Sorry SueDonim you pipped me to the post.

NanKate Mon 27-Jun-22 22:07:03

I wonder how they would cope with the pains of childbirth ?

SueDonim Mon 27-Jun-22 22:47:16

Human race would have died out, Nankate as they’d only do it once. ?

DiamondLily Tue 28-Jun-22 04:33:58

Seeing the fuss my DH makes, all moaning and whimpering, when he has a simple head cold, my mind boggles at the thought of him giving birth...?

Elisheva Tue 28-Jun-22 05:18:30

nanna8

We, as women, need to fight tooth and nail against this subtle and not so subtle erosion of our womanhood. Do not be fooled, it is men who are behind all this and their insatiable greed for power over us.

THIS.

I am appalled at the erosion of rights.
And there’s something horribly cynical about basically using women’s natural compliance to start gaslighting us about our own biology.

Two questions I always ask those who buy into this nonsense

1. Imagine you’re stuck in a loft with an angry adult. Who wins you rather be hit by - a woman or a trans woman?

2. My friend who lost her ovaries and breasts and long blonde hair trying to survive cancer - was she not a woman then?

3. I built my own driveway in lockdown using a compactor and my own strength. I may have been wearing trousers also. Was I a man?

Doodledog Tue 28-Jun-22 08:53:48

You won’t get answers, *Elshiva•. We never do.

DiamondLily Tue 28-Jun-22 09:05:10

Meanwhile, over the pond, a 29 year old father of 3, now TW, has taken pride in beating a 13 year old and 10 year old girl, in a National skateboarding championship, competing as a female...?

"The transgender skateboarder, 29, who claimed first prize in a New York City women's competition this weekend, defeating her 13-year-old and 10-year-old competitors, is a divorced, ex-Navy father-of-three who was rejected from the women's Olympic qualifiers last year because her testosterone levels were too high.

Ricci And Tres, 29, beat 13-year-old Shiloh Catori to claim first prize at The Boardr street skating contest at the Lower East Side Coleman skatepark in New York City on Saturday, taking home $500.

The competition was open to all ages and abilities, but its heats and finals were segregated by gender. ".

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10958359/Trans-skateboarder-claimed-prize-girl-13-divorced-ex-Navy-dad-three.html

FarNorth Tue 28-Jun-22 09:28:23

McCain's & their new Creative Director, drag queen Baga Chipz, have come up with a stunningly offensive ad for midweek meals - yes, really.

mobile.twitter.com/McCainUKIE/status/1541406087324246019

Doodledog Tue 28-Jun-22 09:36:20

Unbelievable. I've thought the McCain 'inclusivity' ads were bandwagonitis for some time (and insensitive to boot), but this one takes the biscuit.

And as for the skateboarding - that poor 13 year old! What sort of man would do that to a child, and how can he take any sort of pride in his 'achievement'?

Chewbacca Tue 28-Jun-22 09:36:53

BBC news today:

A woman who is suing a rape crisis charity says she felt unable to speak at a support group after a transgender woman began attending the same meeting.

"Sarah", who says she was raped in her 20s, stopped going to the sessions, saying she became uncomfortable sharing details of her past with the group.
She says the centre could have offered separate groups, telling the BBC: "I think my case is about women's rights."
The charity, Survivors' Network says it plans to vigorously defend the claim.
It says male victims of sexual violence are referred to neighbouring services, but trans women "are welcome into all of our women-only spaces".

However, Sarah's lawyers claim that by adopting a trans-inclusive approach - and not providing a session for women who were born female - the charity, in Brighton, failed to meet the needs of all sexual violence victims.

Sarah is bringing the case under the Equality Act, claiming indirect discrimination as well as victimisation and harassment. She said: "I think women have sex-based rights and protections and these are under threat at the moment from trans activism."

Last year, she knew she was going to have to come into contact with the man who attacked her. "I was finding it really hard to cope and I was having increased anxiety attacks," she says. "So I decided to approach Survivors' Network for help."

She says she felt an immediate benefit from the group sessions. "We had either been abused as children or had experiences as women. It was a very safe space to speak about the feelings we had been through."
She added: "We spoke a lot about how we were manipulated and coerced by men. I can't tell you how much it helped me mentally."

Sarah says a new person attended a session, whom she understood to be a trans woman. She said the person presented as typically male, wearing male clothing. "I was a bit taken aback. I decided I wasn't going to speak that week because I wasn't comfortable."
"I don't trust men because I have been raped by a man. I've been sexually abused by men. And I just don't necessarily trust that men are always who they say they are," she said.

However, she says the person running the session asked her to speak to the group. "I felt manipulated and coerced into talking," she said. "When I left the session I had a panic attack, I was absolutely distraught."

Sarah says she felt the presence of the trans woman in the group changed the atmosphere and discussion. She says she is not transphobic, but feels she now can't use the service.
"I think it's fantastic that trans survivors feel that there is a safe space for them that they can go and seek help. But for me personally, a mixed sex space doesn't work."

She added: "I think having just one additional group for women who are born female would be the answer."

How long have we been saying that this will happen?

FarNorth Tue 28-Jun-22 09:47:07

Here's the link for that
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61958346