Why is Johnson more popular than Starmer?

jeaniebequick You make an excellent apologist for unacceptable, illegal and selfish behaviour in this country. In fact you are wasted in a country like Britain. I think Mr Putin is looking for someone to explain away his (unsuccessful) invasion of Ukraine. You should apply for the job.

To be fair urmstongran I feel confident that any complaints about slander would focus elsewhere on this page

jeaniebequick- quite a rant there, totally misrepresenting Starmer’s work in the CPS to improve the investigation and prosecution of grooming gangs and sex offenders.
. Starmer was director of public prosecutions and appointed Nazis Afzal to lead his newly formed national network of specialist prosecutors for child abuse and sexual exploitation. Afzal believed his Pakistani heritage helped him re-open the case of the Rochdale grooming cases. Peddling untruths about Kier Starmer suits the narrative of some. It needs challenging. Criticise Starmer fairly but don’t repeat distortions of the truth. Afzal has often been quoted praising Starmer’s work at the DPP to improve the work for visions of sexual abuse. It remains scandalous that so few rape allegations get to court but that’s another debate

Goodness. Just catching up. GN seens to have descended into the standard far-right denial of the truth and spreading of lies.

Why does not attacking other posters only apply to some and not to others on here?

I dislike Starmer for 2 reasons
First is because as head of CPS nobody can seriously believe that he didn't know of the allegations against Jimmy Savile. Such a high profile person would have been common office knowledge. He did nothing about it.
Secondly his whole time in the commons is usually spent having a go at what Johnson is or has done wrong. That's fine but he doesn't say what Labour would do, what their main polices are, how they would change things etc.
He's just a complainer- rightly so as Tories have done a lot wrong- but how could you vote for a man with no purpose?

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.

Glorianny

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.

It’s a classic deflection technique by the cornered Glorianny, in the face of clear evidence that your esteemed leader is a liar (I could go on) the only defence is to make up scurrilous rumours about his opposition counterpart in the vain hope that will take attention away from the actual culprit. Needless to say it won’t work with the majority of the electorate, who have now seen right through Boris.

sazzl Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.

Labour’s job is to oppose the government when they feel it’s doing things wrong; it’s pretty much the entire job title: they are the Opposition.

And, in fact, their policies are on their website. Two of them are being implemented by Sunak at 11.30 today, which is nice.

Secondly his whole time in the commons is usually spent having a go at what Johnson is or has done wrong. That's fine but he doesn't say what Labour would do, what their main polices are, how they would change things etc.

Have you, sazzl, and all the other people who have complained about Starmer 'not saying what he would do' ever tried finding out what Labour want to do? MSM don't report it, of course, but a bit of googling wouldn't come amiss.

At the very least I'll remind you that Labour have been calling for a windfall tax for WEEKS and the government has been saying no to it.

Of course he criticises the government. That's his job. He is Leader of the Opposition. Do you know what 'opposition' means?

I'll ignore the Jimmy Savile crap. That's been done to death on here and what you are alleging just is not true.

I don’t think a windfall tax is a good idea. It would have been much better if the utility companies, aware of their £xx billions of profits had done a great PR job and come up with something themselves to help their customers.

Glorianny

Do you know I started this thread thinking Starmer was a bit of a nonentity. I don't like the way he's targeted the left of the party and failed to unify it. But after reading the comments on here, where he seems to be held responsible for everything I'm actually feeling much kinder towards him. It seems Johnston can do as much wrong as he likes but Starmer is held responsible for anything.

Democracy is the best we have. A minor problem is people who accept any lies from Johnson whilst peddling mistruths and lies about Starmer
Thanks Glorianny

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

sharon103

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

It wasn't just being unable to be with dying relatives; people gave up everything. Social life, hobby groups (which covers an enormous range of activities), family get togethers, holidays, anything that involved meeting friends and family, funerals, weddings, leaving do's, birthday parties....

And all the time the people in No.10 were having their Wine Fridays (starting at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, FGS), and any sort of celebration going. Their bosses' excuse seems to be that they were special because they were working so hard and b*gger all the NHS workers who were working their socks off, in full PPE when it was obtainable, for hours at a time.... They just got a clap and a metaphorical pat on the back.

Johnson wrote the bloody rules, he exhorted us daily to observe them and then went off to share illegal 'gatherings' . Whining that he didn't know they were illegal doesn't cut it...

Saying that covid was to blame doesn't cut it, either. A leader should lead, not take the p*ss.

sharon103
As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him. Covid was to blame.

If we’re thinking rationally, that’s true.

At the time, I wasn’t thinking rationally. Actually, if I’d been allowed in to say my goodbyes, had caught Covid, but not realising I had caught it and until I was ill, still been working in school with vulnerable children, who had passed it on to their families, with possible fatal results, BJ would certainly have been blamed, after they’d finished blaming me for going into say goodbye.

sharon103

Quoting Varian ....."while families couldn't even say goodbye to their loved ones"

As devastating, heartbreaking as it was for families not to be able to say goodbye, if Boris had allowed you to go into a hospital to say farewell to a loved one, caught covid and died, who would your family have blamed?
They would have blamed Boris for letting you in.
It was a no win situation either way for him.
Covid was to blame.

I think this is completely reversing the real situation.

People didn't visit their loved ones because they thought that was the right thing to do. Johnson and his coterie had parties and get-togethers because they didn't care what the right thing to do was. They wanted to do their own thing.

So if we didn't get to see people, they shouldn't have either. We don't want what they had, we wanted them to follow the rules just like the rest of us did. The rules that were meant to save peoples lives.

Covid isn't to blame for our PM being a self serving, selfish oaf.

Covid isn't to blame for our PM being a self serving, selfish oaf.
I agree, but it’s not the same issue.

The parties and meetings after work were against the rules, whoever did it. They should have followed the rules, no question about that.

People didn't visit their loved ones because they thought that was the right thing to do.

No they didn’t. They didn’t visit because they weren’t allowed or at least, we weren’t where I live.

Would BJ have been blamed if people had died after being allowed in to say goodbye?

Of course he would, just as he was blamed for people going from hospital to care homes.

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

funny how you can say on this site that Boris is responsible for all the Covid deaths but you cannot say 'Actually China was' -obviously a very politically correct site

jeaniebquick

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

Not sure what country you're in, jeaniebequick, but it wasn't happening in my country.

And while the covid virus might have originated in China, Johnson's appalling handling of it in the UK contributed to thousands more deaths than needful. And still is, because it hasn't gone away and it is still killing people.

MOnica I thought exactly the same -extreme leftie like you are wasted in a democratic country when you too would serve well in China

MaizieD -my guess is 'your country' is a nice little wealthy hamlet in the south east not a poor northern city -and you too missed all the millions of people out protesting during lockdowns ? ... and no illegal raves where you live then -how nice

Perhaps his 'blocked nose' voice is too irritating

jeaniebquick Have you ever considered comedy as a sideline?

My guess is that the raves would have been legal if they had taken place in Downing Street.

As the rules were too confusing for the person who made them to understand, I'm also guessing that the people who fell foul of them, such as the women out for a walk with cups of coffee, or the students playing with snowballs will get their fines back and their records cleared.

I can't guess what China has got to do with the reason why Johnson appears to be more popular than Starmer, though.

jeaniebquick

I was probably the only one in my road who wasn't flouting lock down- but really Growstuff how did you not see the 1000's of folk out marching mixing and protesting and raving on a daily basis in our country during lockdown?

I don't have a good imagination, so I don't fantasise that often. Simples!