Why is Johnson more popular than Starmer?

Stammer has also provided to be a liar he has on different occasions said how many ppl were with him having a takeaway and beer and they is something about him I can’t put my finger on he’s sly he comes across slimy and don’t get me started on rayner she tried to play victim about a joke she made few months previously I smell a rat with them both. Boris as scum media after his blood he could pass out pink unicorns ? and they would still find something about him.

I can't vote for either of them or their policies.

What is the relevance of discussing Keir Starmer's wife on here?

She is not a Labour MP, does not work in any role related to governing the country and if she has an honorary title, so what?

It amazes me how many women still see other women as merely adjuncts to their husbands. Such an antedeluvian mindset - and on Grandsnet of all sites.

M0nica

What is the relevance of discussing Keir Starmer's wife on here?

She is not a Labour MP, does not work in any role related to governing the country and if she has an honorary title, so what?

It amazes me how many women still see other women as merely adjuncts to their husbands. Such an antedeluvian mindset - and on Grandsnet of all sites.

The implication made was that she had lied about her job Monica, as part of an anti Starmer post. The subsequent posts were correcting the misinformation about her work. I agree with you that it should not have been brought up, but once it was, the misinformation needed correcting.

Starmer comes across as dull as ditch water and I find his manner a bit like the tell tale kid in class.
I think it’s his delivery / voice probably but I don’t see him as PM material persona wise.

I don't support either the tories or Labour but I dislike Johnson immensely and can't for the life of me understand why people would vote for him. I think Starmer is a far more able and trustworthy person. However, I wouldn't vote for any of them.

He isn’t - not in my book anyway - and they are two opposing parties so you are not going to be politically persuaded by someone’s like ability in theory !
I do think you cannot avoid personalities sadly - especially when you have two such contrasting ones nd one of them is such a narcissistic lying oaf .. !

It's not really about 'popular' is it? Really which do you find less distasteful. BJ is no more a 'Tory' than Theresa was - they chose the party with the best chance. ATM labour is still unelectable stained by Corbyn. Starmer knows he'll never be PM - his is Kinnocks role - if he can manage it. Doubt it. He was not a good DPP. BJ will go when the pack have found another leader.

Starmer may lack personality but he's likely to be a far better PM than Johnson who simply does not care about anything except his own skin.

Personally I loathe Johnson, always have done ever since his pre Mayor of London days and before. I don’t understand why people like him. He’s a liar, a charlatan, a buffoon, inept, stupid, dishonest and has very dubious morals.
Initially I thought Starmer was our saviour but this doesn’t seem to be the case, he doesn’t have the personality to be a PM.
I long for the days of John Major & Tony Blair who seemed more moderate in their approach.

No way can he be more popular Boris is a liar you cannot trust anything he says

Hair style?

sharonarnott

I just don't like Starmer! He comes across as very sly to me, there's something there that I just can't put my finger on. He is also as dull as dishwater.

I agree.
He gets on my nerves.
I'm yet to hear how he would do better.

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

Kupari45

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

I said this before but its worth saying again.

The job of the opposition is to oppose. Which means explaining how what the Tories are doing is wrong.

Come the GE, I would expect him to tell us what his party will do.

You're telling us you don't like him because he is doing the job he is supposed to do.

How far we have fallen.

Well done OakDryad you've got it in one, I've been saying that to my partner for a long time, he frowns, possibly because he's looking at a mirror image, and can't get to the grips with the idea.

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

I wouldn't let Johnson in the house.

Kupari45

I think Johnson comes across as the most popular of the two leaders- for one reason!.
We have no idea what Starmer believes in!. I would like to know what the Leader of the Labour Party would do if they were voted in at the next general election, but all we hear is Starmer disagreeing with the current problems of the day. He never has any ideas about how to solve any of our problems in the country- he just stands there and tells us that everything the Tories say is wrong. Consequently I dont think he is popular , as no one knows what he believes in, I cant imagine him as a future Prime Minister.

But according to YouGov, Starmer is more popular than Johnson, so that theory doesn't work.

volver

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

I wouldn't let Johnson in the house.

He wouldn't get through my front door either.

Secretsquirrel1

If I were having a dinner party and could have either BJ or KS, I’d definitely invite Boris. Say what you will about his politics but he’s got so much charisma and I bet he’d be hilarious.

You might not find it quite as enjoyable as you think it might be. Unless you're the right class, of course...

This has been floating around social media for quite a while now:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2021/02/working-class-boy-balliol-bar-and-encounter-young-boris-johnson

I was reminded of this the other day when I saw a post from someone I do not know in real life, who quoted a 400-word post from someone else I know even less, a man called Damian Furniss, a writer and health and social care worker based in Devon. It described his time at Oxford, where, he writes, he encountered David Cameron and Boris Johnson. He confesses to quite liking Cameron, whom he describes as a laid-back slacker into cheroots and prog rock, and with the memorable line: “Even when I sabotaged his college beagle pack he took it in good humour.” (When someone sabotages my beagle pack, I hold the grudge for decades.)

But when he gets to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the tone changes. He met Johnson, he writes, in the Balliol College bar on the eve of his interview. Johnson – halfway through his college “career” and three years older than the writer – was with a group of cronies. Bear in mind that Furniss was a working-class rural boy with a stammer. He imagined that Johnson would act as a kind of ambassador for the college. Instead, he alleges, Johnson’s “piss-taking was brutal. In the course of the pint I felt obliged to finish he mocked my speech impediment, my accent, my school, my dress sense, my haircut, my background, my father’s work as farm worker and garage proprietor, and my prospects in the scholarship interview I was there for.”

Jzpap

Personally I loathe Johnson, always have done ever since his pre Mayor of London days and before. I don’t understand why people like him. He’s a liar, a charlatan, a buffoon, inept, stupid, dishonest and has very dubious morals.
Initially I thought Starmer was our saviour but this doesn’t seem to be the case, he doesn’t have the personality to be a PM.
I long for the days of John Major & Tony Blair who seemed more moderate in their approach.

I find this a bit baffling. I think Starmer has quite a bit in common with Major, who was IMO underrated. In my opinion, Starmer has exactly the personality for the PM needs at the moment.

sandelf

It's not really about 'popular' is it? Really which do you find less distasteful. BJ is no more a 'Tory' than Theresa was - they chose the party with the best chance. ATM labour is still unelectable stained by Corbyn. Starmer knows he'll never be PM - his is Kinnocks role - if he can manage it. Doubt it. He was not a good DPP. BJ will go when the pack have found another leader.

Why wasn't Starmer a good DPP?

Why wasn't Starmer a good DPP?

Oooooh, careful, growstuff.

I bet I can predict what the answer to your question will be (if it is answered...)

It really worries me when people say "I wouldn't vote for any of them". That is actually worse that voting for the current crop of Tories (the majority of whom are NOT traditional Conservatives, despite stealing the name).

Why is it worse? Because it creates a vacuum which any policians with a malevolent agenda can move into.

Things in this country now are bad enough as it is, without voters giving up and going AWOL.