Gransnet forums

News & politics

The Ministerial code is to be watered down

(110 Posts)
TopsyIrene06 Fri 27-May-22 15:29:28

Pippa Crerar reports that the PM has watered down the ministerial code allowing ministers to break the rules without resigning. He has also blocked a bid to give his ethics advisor the power to investigate him. In addition, he also dismissed calls from Lord Geidt who asked for the power to launch an independent investigation of behaviour in the wake of the Downing Street flat row.
Anybody else picked this up?

Lovetopaint037 Fri 27-May-22 22:42:16

Another thing. He is behaving like Putin. He changed the rules in order that he could stay in power.

RichmondPark Fri 27-May-22 22:44:46

There is an article on this in the Daily Mail and the comments underneath are almost universally scathing. The general opinion is that this is the final straw and is shameless.

Could this be the turning point?

Lovetopaint037 Fri 27-May-22 22:54:49

MayBee70

Waste of time writing to my MP about this. Will try The Speaker. I want an answer as to how Johnson can just do this….

You must have the same MP as me. Writing to him has no response. He is, what has always been, a safe seat. He does little locally and is a dead loss. How I would love to see him lose his seat.

Esspee Fri 27-May-22 22:56:17

MayBee70

It isn’t even worth me writing to my MP. She will just defend him yet again.

Why not write to the Conservative Party in your area, the ones who choose replacement candidates letting them know that unless the incumbent denounces the PM they will lose your vote and those of all your friends and family.

There surely cannot now be a single decent person who is unable to see the danger this man is to our country.

MayBee70 Fri 27-May-22 23:17:18

I think I’ll email her but say I don’t want a reply as wasting so much paper is bad for the environment. Interesting to see what sort of response I get from the Speakers office.

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 23:29:06

Lovetopaint037

Surely such changes have to be voted on in Parliament or has that b………std altered that without consultation. I am depressed and sick to my stomach at not only what he is doing but the MPs who are supporting him. Don’t they realise they are tarring themselves with the same filthy brush. Surely we should take to the streets and shout our disgust with this usurper of decency..

And the right-wing press would label protesters as a noisy rabble! Apparently, Sir Bob Neill has submitted a letter of no confidence, so maybe the ball has started rolling.

RichmondPark Sat 28-May-22 00:10:00

My safe seat Tory MP never replies. I wrote to the local Conservative party to ask why and if they are happy with this.

That was three weeks ago. They haven't replied.

MayBee70 Sat 28-May-22 00:31:59

growstuff

Lovetopaint037

Surely such changes have to be voted on in Parliament or has that b………std altered that without consultation. I am depressed and sick to my stomach at not only what he is doing but the MPs who are supporting him. Don’t they realise they are tarring themselves with the same filthy brush. Surely we should take to the streets and shout our disgust with this usurper of decency..

And the right-wing press would label protesters as a noisy rabble! Apparently, Sir Bob Neill has submitted a letter of no confidence, so maybe the ball has started rolling.

He actually sounds like a really decent MP. One of the few decent Tory MP’s left in parliament.

DiamondLily Sat 28-May-22 05:02:36

Our long standing local Tory MP, Sir Bob Neill, has sent in a letter of "no confidence" last night. Well done him. ?

news.sky.com/story/partygate-senior-tory-sir-bob-neill-submits-no-confidence-letter-as-number-of-mps-calling-for-johnson-to-go-ramps-up-12622715

Ailidh Sat 28-May-22 06:14:42

It's many years, probably decades, since I read "Animal Farm" but I'm sure there's a bit in that where the rules were changed, and after a while everybody "remembered" that the new rules were the ones that had always been in place.

That's how this news hit me yesterday. ?

Urmstongran Sat 28-May-22 07:23:23

Well, well. Bob Neill, arch-remainer, calls for the PM to go. What a surprise! Not.

Back in a minute. The kettle’s just boiled. Morning everyone!

Urmstongran Sat 28-May-22 07:47:51

Oh no! Boris you foolish man.

"Minor Violations" was the phrase used. Who decides what is minor? If it is Boris alone (?) the sky might be the limit. The new Ministerial Code - aka the Chancers Charter.

Soon we will have the House of Commons twinned with Wandsworth.

Boris, I despair. You aren’t popular with many at present and yet you see fit to do this?

OakDryad Sat 28-May-22 08:07:58

Jonathan Lis is one of the most incisive writers on the Johnson mindset and modus operandi. Back in 2020, Lis wrote:

For Johnson, Brexit is less important than an exam. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t matter. He will blame someone else and it was fun to try.

And so the key to this game is failure. Johnson does not set out to fail per se. Rather, failure is just another route to winning. He fails to prove the failure won’t hurt him. He sabotages things because he can.

This thinking sounds perverse because it is. It must be understood within the framework, not of governing, but of a game with one necessary victor. Success, stability and predictability are boring. Why not see how far you can push the people who support you? If you can still win with the most danger, the most excitement, inflicting the most damage, why not try?

bylinetimes.com/2020/08/28/boris-johnson-the-anti-prime-minister/

This latest development is another step in pushing. Even his most ardent supporters see this.

DiamondLily Sat 28-May-22 08:12:37

Urmstongran

Well, well. Bob Neill, arch-remainer, calls for the PM to go. What a surprise! Not.

Back in a minute. The kettle’s just boiled. Morning everyone!

Bob Neill has been a loyal, stalwart Tory MP for many years.

He generally supports any PM, and is a very good local MP.

I wrote to him just year, stating my disgust, at my father having to die alone, whilst Johnson and his acolytes gathered without any regard to their own laws and rules.?

He agreed, because, fundamentally, he's a decent man who believes in standards being upheld. He doesn't condone a PM who cannot open his mouth without lies pouring out.

I don't know why Brexiteers continue with this obsession about Brexit and who voted what - it's done.

It's a complete mess, but it's over.

Good for Bob Neill. Let's hope many others follow.?

DiamondLily Sat 28-May-22 08:19:39

Bob Neill's public statement makes it crystal clear what his objections are. Not one word about Brexit..?

'Since the start of this episode, I have been very clear that I would wait for the conclusion of any police investigation and the publication of Sue Gray’s full report before making a judgement.

My years as a lawyer have taught me not to come to conclusions without the fullest possible evidence. I have been equally clear that we cannot have one rule for those working in government and a different one for everyone else.

Those of us who set the rules have a particular responsibility to stick to them ourselves.

Sue Gray’s report has highlighted a pattern of wholly unacceptable behaviour, spread over a number of months, by some working in 10 Downing Street, including breaking rules that caused real pain and hardship for many, and which the Government, and we as parliamentarians, were telling others to live by.

I have listened carefully to the explanations the Prime Minister has given, in Parliament and elsewhere, and, regrettably, do not find his assertions to be credible.

That is why, with a heavy heart, I submitted a letter of no confidence to Sir Graham Brady on Wednesday afternoon.

Trust is the most important commodity in politics, but these events have undermined trust in not just the office of the Prime Minister, but in the political process itself. To rebuild that trust and move on, a change in leadership is required."

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 08:24:39

My MP is Labour and Greens are next door, but I will find the nearest Tory MP and let her/him know if my alarm.

Mamie Sat 28-May-22 08:36:41

I think, maybe, this time he has gone too far.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 08:39:19

Done it. My nearest Tory MP is Tim Loughton, who I met once in the HoC as he had invited my sister to meet him there.

His manners leave a lot to be desired!

Happygirl79 Sat 28-May-22 10:57:02

Urmstongran

Oh no! Boris you foolish man.

"Minor Violations" was the phrase used. Who decides what is minor? If it is Boris alone (?) the sky might be the limit. The new Ministerial Code - aka the Chancers Charter.

Soon we will have the House of Commons twinned with Wandsworth.

Boris, I despair. You aren’t popular with many at present and yet you see fit to do this?

Thing is. He thinks he is invincible.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 11:07:09

Remember that we were told to wait for the Sue Grey report before we should question the PM over partygate.

Sue Grey reported

Response?

“Move on”

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 11:07:38

Oh I should have referenced Marina Hyde

DaisyAnne Sat 28-May-22 11:35:54

Whitewavemark2

Remember that we were told to wait for the Sue Grey report before we should question the PM over partygate.

Sue Grey reported

Response?

“Move on”

"Move on" always seems rather like the coercive controller's "you have no sense of humour" or "now you're being hysterical". It's much more about controlling the person than putting forward a view on a subject.

MayBee70 Sat 28-May-22 11:36:30

Urmstongran

Well, well. Bob Neill, arch-remainer, calls for the PM to go. What a surprise! Not.

Back in a minute. The kettle’s just boiled. Morning everyone!

He’s a barrister. He understands the law and the need for those governing the country to uphold it.

MayBee70 Sat 28-May-22 11:45:10

Johnson has removed the words ‘integrity, objectivity, accountability,transparency, honesty and leading in the public interest’. Surprise surprise. He’s removed everything that he’s incapable of following. Just about sums it up really.

mokryna Sat 28-May-22 12:02:49

“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it” – Winston Churchill