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Whitewavemark2 Tue 31-May-22 07:58:23

This ?

We must wait and see.

Russ Jones

I'm hearing 54 letters have been handed in, and a confidence vote in Johnson is likely in early June. Rumour. But solid source.

If so, I suspect Johnson will push for the confidence vote immediately, so it happens before by-elections. And he'll survive. Weak. But survive

GrannyGravy13 Tue 31-May-22 13:45:07

MayBee70

Leadsom is criticising him now. Strange though. She’s supported him for the past 7 or so years knowing exactly what sort of person he is and how devoid he is of any loyalty or morality. Might it be that she’s just worried about her own political career? Surely not.

All MPs worry about their careers.

I think that those who have sent their letters in are finally reading the room

It’s what so many on GN have been screaming for for the last few years, now there are complaining and questioning why it’s being done…

OakDryad Tue 31-May-22 14:04:10

John Stevenson for Carlisle has now sent in his letter.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 31-May-22 14:05:13

*there X should have been they

OakDryad Tue 31-May-22 14:12:53

MayBee70

Leadsom is criticising him now. Strange though. She’s supported him for the past 7 or so years knowing exactly what sort of person he is and how devoid he is of any loyalty or morality. Might it be that she’s just worried about her own political career? Surely not.

TBF other than MPs who have defied the whip and been expelled they are all culpable.

Leadsom won a huge majority in 2019 election. The council for her constituency did not have a local election this month so nothing to test the mood there.

I doubt she would stand in a leadership contest. I remember her last leadership campaign: from her soppy “I’m a mother” argument; deeply unpleasant racist remarks on her personal blog - hastily removed but not before journos had spotted and published them; her very wealthy family’s offshore tax arrangements and some nasty and idiotic social media posts by her entitled children. This will all come up again including her brother in law Peter de Puton's financial interest in fracking.

LizzieDrip Tue 31-May-22 14:26:27

It appears that Tory MPs are now acknowledging what many of us have thought for some time - that Johnson is a loose canon and a liability, and if he remained as PM, would likely lose them the next GE. Personally, as others on this thread have said, I’d be prepared to hold my nose and have him stay in order to get the Conservatives out. Give Johnson enough rope, and all that …

Whitewavemark2 Tue 31-May-22 15:06:51

He may well win the vote of no confidence, but we still have the privileges committee to investigate him. Not that he would resign as is is not a person of honour.

How ever it is looked at he is a lame duck and will never command any respect.

OakDryad Tue 31-May-22 15:11:37

Have they even found someone to chair the Committee since Chris Bryant recused himself?

I see Dominic Cummings is talking about the Abba party. Like or loathe him (latter) this had the ring of truth and the Met need only have asked people who were in the building:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/31/music-from-abba-party-could-be-heard-all-over-no-10-says-cummings

GrannyGravy13 Tue 31-May-22 15:13:10

Whitewavemark2

He may well win the vote of no confidence, but we still have the privileges committee to investigate him. Not that he would resign as is is not a person of honour.

How ever it is looked at he is a lame duck and will never command any respect.

Well if he does escape/win a vote of no confidence, with the 79 majority he can still basically do what he wants until the next GE unless there is a back bench revolt and they begin to vote against his proposals/bills.

He doesn’t care/need anyones respect, just their vote…

Whitewavemark2 Tue 31-May-22 15:13:19

Chris Bryant has reinstated himself I think.

Apparently Johnson is phoning around promising the earth to anyone who will support him.

They must be idiots to believe anything he says.

garnet25 Tue 31-May-22 15:17:59

I think many of the MP's have been talking to their constituent committees and now have a good idea of how people feel about Boris's behaviour.

OakDryad Tue 31-May-22 15:20:28

I don’t think so WWM2. On 27 May, Bryant tweeted:

I have summoned a meeting of the Commons Privileges Committee for Tuesday 7 June to dispose of its outstanding business, namely a report on the powers of select committees, to follow up our earlier (May 2021) report on which we have been consulting.

That done, a motion to replace me on the Committee with another Labour MP will go before the House, then the Committee will meet again to elect a new chair and start its inquiry into the conduct of the Prime Minister, in which I will take no part as I have recused myself.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 31-May-22 15:27:00

Oh I thought I’d read he’d re-instated himself. Obviously wrong.

I do think though that the worse case scenario really for the Tory party is if Johnson wins the vote, as there is nothing at all to suggest that his performance will improve or that he has any form of coherent policy, economic, social or foreign.

Happygirl79 Tue 31-May-22 15:32:55

I pray to God he goes

Happygirl79 Tue 31-May-22 15:39:39

It's all in the hands of the MPs now. Will they do the right thing for the country and get him out or will they continue to be cowardly and look after their own skins?

DiamondLily Tue 31-May-22 15:56:21

William Hague has come out of the traps now saying " the party was 'moving towards' holding a full vote on the PM's future in the wake of Partygate - potentially as soon as next week."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10870357/Whips-brace-protect-Boris-Tory-no-confidence-letters-near-magic-number.html

According to Sky News:
"If the threshold is met, MPs are expecting a lobbying campaign from Downing Street with the prime minister expected to offer jobs, knighthoods, trade envoy roles and any other inducements which could win wavering MPs around.

He will tell them he can put partygate behind him and deliver on promises to level up."

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-senior-tories-bracing-for-possible-vote-of-confidence-as-soon-as-next-week-12624700

MayBee70 Tue 31-May-22 16:06:31

Difficult. If Johnson stays we will surely have a Labour government at the next election. But we need, for the sake of the country, a new PM. Having said that ( and I’m not saying this purely as a Labour voter) , I can’t see anyone good enough in this government to get the country out of the mess we’re in.

Farzanah Tue 31-May-22 16:12:56

I have held off sending my views to my useless Tory MP because I am in two minds here. If Johnson, or in John Crace’s words “The Defendent”, remains in power the Tories will likely be decimated at the next GE.
On the other hand if he, and some of his cronies, are not removed, the damage already done to this country, will only spiral over the next two years.

MaizieD Tue 31-May-22 18:14:00

"If the threshold is met, MPs are expecting a lobbying campaign from Downing Street with the prime minister expected to offer jobs, knighthoods, trade envoy roles and any other inducements which could win wavering MPs around.

How could they believe that he would actually deliver on his promises?

Or that he would be any better as PM post 'winning' a no confidence vote than he has been to date?

Or is he assuming that tory MPs are brain dead?

winterwhite Tue 31-May-22 18:17:53

There probably isn't any single person good enough for the job, Maybee, but (a) for starters someone just needs to be better than BJ to be a vast improvement, and (b) what is needed at the moment with so many crises on the horizon is not a single person but a competent and co-ordinated team.

FarNorth Tue 31-May-22 18:18:25

If they go for that bribery we'll know they are all as loathsome as Johnson.

MaizieD Tue 31-May-22 18:35:17

FarNorth

If they go for that bribery we'll know they are all as loathsome as Johnson.

I think we know that already, FarNorth grin

MayBee70 Tue 31-May-22 18:40:34

It also puts Johnson ( and the country) in a dangerous position where he himself is open to all sort of bribery just to gain support. How on earth did British politics* reach this state of affairs?
*not really meaning to include countries outside of England by the way…..

DiamondLily Wed 01-Jun-22 04:50:55

Johnson has been warned he is placing the ministerial code at risk of "ridicule".

*"Boris Johnson is at risk of placing the ministerial code in a place of “ridicule” over the Partygate scandal, according to his own ethics adviser.

In a scathing public rebuke, Christopher Geidt said there were “legitimate” questions over whether Mr Johnson had breached ministerial standards and made a veiled threat to quit if the PM said there was no case to answer.

Labour said the row showed that Mr Johnson’s “days are numbered” after he “tried to rig the rules and evade scrutiny”.

But the prime minister insisted he had not breached the code, and blamed a “failure of communication” for what Lord Geidt said was a repeated oversight to heed his advice.

The spat came as Mr Johnson rang potential rebels on the Conservative backbenches in a desperate bid to shore up his position ahead of a vote of no confidence in his leadership that many Tory MPs now expect to be called when parliament returns next week.

It comes as the Telegraph reported Downing Street is preparing to go on "economic war-footing" in the weeks after the Queen's Jubilee in a bid to stabilise Mr Johnson's premiership.

Plans being considered are said to include a return to regular Covid-style press briefings, but which would instead focus on the economy. The briefings would seek to explain what is being done to help ease the cost of living crisis and provide the latest data, the newspaper reported."*

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-partygate-adviser-geidt-b2091294.html

Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Jun-22 05:38:57

Interesting about plans for regular press meetings.

It would be more believable if there was a clear economic policy, but Johnson lurches and reacts from one crises to another - many of his own making.

The press meetings would simply serve to make people even crosser.

Happygirl79 Wed 01-Jun-22 09:20:38

Whitewavemark2

Interesting about plans for regular press meetings.

It would be more believable if there was a clear economic policy, but Johnson lurches and reacts from one crises to another - many of his own making.

The press meetings would simply serve to make people even crosser.

Totally agree with you there. This government have no policies. They are a lame duck. Doing nothing but trying to survive each daily crisis. So busy with the corruption and internal issues there's no time to make plans to improve our lives