Speaking the truth about brexit

Galaxy

It was also an absolute failure (over years) of the 'remain' position being established and 'sold' to the electorate. Easy to be wise in hindsight but very intelligent people allowed a narrative to go unchallenged and didnt provide an alternative positive message until it was way to late.

I agree. I thought about it before I voted to remain and asked myself whether leaving would solve any of that and decided it wouldn't. I cringed when I heard some of the "Remainer" arguments and wanted to shout out "Listen to these people! Just listen and do something about the grievances before they commit hari-kari". As you say "too late now". It happened. We are where we are and somehow we have to build bridges (not across the Irish Sea) and find the least bad solution.

It easy to say as virtually no one thought about it 15 years ago but it was way too late once the referendum debate began.

I think it’s a rather dangerous political strategy to keep repeating that a section of the electorate are not highly educated and that is why they voted a certain way.

It’s certainly not going to garner any votes, and votes are desperately needed by the opposition parties if they want to win seats in the next GE.

GrannyGravy13

I think it’s a rather dangerous political strategy to keep repeating that a section of the electorate are not highly educated and that is why they voted a certain way.

It’s certainly not going to garner any votes, and votes are desperately needed by the opposition parties if they want to win seats in the next GE.

Who's repeating it?

GrannyGravy13

I think it’s a rather dangerous political strategy to keep repeating that a section of the electorate are not highly educated and that is why they voted a certain way.

It’s certainly not going to garner any votes, and votes are desperately needed by the opposition parties if they want to win seats in the next GE.

Even in the face of facts that show that's exactly what happened? Should we keep quite for fear of upsetting people? Isn't that patronising?

It's true that a section of the population does not have high educational qualifications. Putting the referendum aside, it's affecting people's lives because there is a correlation between education a income and health. Compare the average educational qualifications of people in some areas, such as the North East, and the Home Counties and it's blatantly obvious that there's an issue. These are issues which our "social mobility tsar" should be unpicking and addressing.

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Growstuff I think that you are digging yourself a big hole. My OH's grandfather was an Alderman and Sherriff of Nottingham in the 50s. His father was coal miner and when a boy he picked potatoes in the fields during holidays etc.

As an adult he started a co-operative soft drinks factory and was involved in workers' education.

He could not have become Sherrif if he was not an educated person. There will be many GNers who will have similar stories (although maybe not Sherrifs of Nottingham)

There's a real misunderstanding of averages in the general population, I've found. Say what happens on average and somebody pops up to tell you that their OH's Grandad was Sheriff of Nottingham, as though that disproves it. That's really good.

But ON AVERAGE....

I don't think that having an higher education has done the country much good. Just look at the front bench. Educated Tories want to keep things pretty much as they because they can keep all their wealth whereas educated lefties really do want to "level up" . And the latter are the ones who are criticised for being the urban elite.

I don't think that having an higher education has done the country much good.

I'm using quite a lot today.

volver

There's a real misunderstanding of averages in the general population, I've found. Say what happens on average and somebody pops up to tell you that their OH's Grandad was Sheriff of Nottingham, as though that disproves it. That's really good.

But ON AVERAGE....

No, I'm not misunderstanding averages. I did say that there will be many people who could tell a similar story of a family member from an earlier generation who has had a decent life without having a higher education.

volver

^I don't think that having an higher education has done the country much good.^

I'm using quite a lot today.

Well do you think think that the politicians running the country t the moment are anything other than a waste of space?

who have had - It's 41C here and too hot to type without making errors. Plus many of the letters on my keyboard have worn away.

Yes of course there are.

But on average, a good education opens door for you and gives you more opportunities in life. It helps you appreciate what is happening in the world. It is neither necessary nor sufficient, but on average...

I'm sorry, but I can't believe we are having this discussion in the 21st century.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you.

Dinahmo

volver

I don't think that having an higher education has done the country much good.

I'm using quite a lot today.

Well do you think think that the politicians running the country t the moment are anything other than a waste of space?

Maybe they are in the long tail...

I would like to know your definition of highly educated ?

Are you suggesting that we need to have a degree to vote, or would you be content to let those who have A levels or equivalent to cast their X at the ballot box.

God forbid that those of the populace who only scraped a few GCSEs or for the elder amongst us the odd CSE or GCE would be allowed to vote.

As for those who left school with no qualifications, no doubt you would like to see them struck off of the electoral roll.

GranyGravy
I think you know the answer but obviously it can not be publicly announced ?

Sorry Dinahmo, I made a post about half an hour ago but forgot to actually post it. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you!

GG13 - who is that post at 15:45 addressed to?

Brexit is a economic disaster and we shall all (except people like Rees-Mogg who moved his business to Dublin) be paying for it for generations to come. It was sold to the sheep who worried about sovereignty. Well, there will be a lot less to have sovereignty over in future years. Johnson is the main beneficiary of Brexit.

This made me smile. We could all do with a laugh.

volver

Sorry Dinahmo, I made a post about half an hour ago but forgot to actually post it. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you!

GG13 - who is that post at 15:45 addressed to?

To any poster/s who continually post regarding the correlation between education and voting.

GrannyGravy13

volver

Sorry Dinahmo, I made a post about half an hour ago but forgot to actually post it. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you!

GG13 - who is that post at 15:45 addressed to?

To any poster/s who continually post regarding the correlation between education and voting.

the correlation between education and voting.

You mean all the research that has been published again and again that shows the correlation between education and voting for Brexit.

www.statista.com/statistics/572613/eu-referendum-decision-by-highest-educational-attainment-uk/

This is a good one. It’s got a graph.

Are you suggesting that we need to have a degree to vote, or would you be content to let those who have A levels or equivalent to cast their X at the ballot box.
No, obviously not. Either you have misunderstood what we’re saying, or you are stirring up things for your own ends.

God forbid that those of the populace who only scraped a few GCSEs or for the elder amongst us the odd CSE or GCE would be allowed to vote. Indeed. Agreed.

As for those who left school with no qualifications, no doubt you would like to see them struck off of the electoral roll.
You see inside my head do you? You know what I’m thinking? What an untrue, ridiculous and completely uncalled for comment.

Its a fact that those who voted for Brexit on average had lower educational attainment. Instead of pretending the élites are out to get them, you might want to engage in conversations about why that voting split might be.

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver

Sorry Dinahmo, I made a post about half an hour ago but forgot to actually post it. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you!

GG13 - who is that post at 15:45 addressed to?

To any poster/s who continually post regarding the correlation between education and voting.

the correlation between education and voting.

You mean all the research that has been published again and again that shows the correlation between education and voting for Brexit.

www.statista.com/statistics/572613/eu-referendum-decision-by-highest-educational-attainment-uk/

This is a good one. It’s got a graph.

Are you suggesting that we need to have a degree to vote, or would you be content to let those who have A levels or equivalent to cast their X at the ballot box.
No, obviously not. Either you have misunderstood what we’re saying, or you are stirring up things for your own ends.

God forbid that those of the populace who only scraped a few GCSEs or for the elder amongst us the odd CSE or GCE would be allowed to vote. Indeed. Agreed.

As for those who left school with no qualifications, no doubt you would like to see them struck off of the electoral roll.
You see inside my head do you? You know what I’m thinking? What an untrue, ridiculous and completely uncalled for comment.

Its a fact that those who voted for Brexit on average had lower educational attainment. Instead of pretending the élites are out to get them, you might want to engage in conversations about why that voting split might be.

Patronising…