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Oh God spare me the lying Prime Minister

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 13:52:24

I’m listening to Johnson’s save his skin speech about housing.

Why oh why does he continue to lie, it is ridiculous.

Ilovecheese Thu 09-Jun-22 14:33:38

Because he is allowed to, that is why.

NotSpaghetti Thu 09-Jun-22 14:41:23

And he repeatedly gets away with it!

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 09-Jun-22 14:44:15

I haven’t heard the speech. What’s he said?

MayBee70 Thu 09-Jun-22 15:11:51

Does he lie in bed at night thinking these things up?

ayse Thu 09-Jun-22 15:23:53

It’s certainly not going to solve the housing crisis. What is needed is more social housing, rent control, minimum housing standards and affordable housing for key workers, especially in the South East and increasingly the M4 corridor. It’s just another sound bite and is pretty meaningless.

How about converting all these part occupied offices into housing? It’s just the same old, same old …

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61739816

NotSpaghetti Thu 09-Jun-22 15:31:00

Yes ayse - and we also need security of tenure as in countries such as Germany.

Parsley3 Thu 09-Jun-22 15:31:22

For his latest wheeze to get off the ground the government will have to get the mortgage lenders on board. Good luck with that.

ayse Thu 09-Jun-22 15:37:26

NotSpaghetti

Yes ayse - and we also need security of tenure as in countries such as Germany.

Absolutely agree.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 09-Jun-22 15:38:42

Conversion of offices into residential accommodation has been made easier by the current government ayse, but it’s down to the owners and tenants to want to do it.

CaravanSerai Thu 09-Jun-22 15:51:08

MayBee70

Does he lie in bed at night thinking these things up?

And we have a new slogan, folks! We Are On Your Side.

I am planning to add this to Big Calls. Draw a Line Under, Move On, Serving the British People, Delivering to the British People and Levelling Up.

A pound for each time I hear one of these and I'll be able to put some fuel in my car and keep warm this winter. A Johnson Jar instead of a Swear Jar.

Struggling to understand how this proposed sell off of housing association homes to people receiving housing benefit (and little capital for a deposit) will work. Another sub prime mortage bonanza for city gamblers may be?

As ever, a wide ranging speech devoid of detail. But fear not. According to his interview on Talk TV earlier, Magic Michael Gove will replace each home sold with a replacement "instantly". One for Pedants' Corner to discuss the meaning of that. As we are still waiting for the 300,000 new homes a year promised in the 2019 election manifesto, in the parallel universe I feel I have slipped into, does "instantly" really mean more than two years or, indeed, never?

Esspee Thu 09-Jun-22 16:00:56

In Glasgow there seems to be wild enthusiasm for building student accommodation (the modern day single end), while on the outskirts it is all detached 4 and 5 bedroom luxury homes.
Little is being built between those two extremes as far as I can see.
The Conservative Party think the heads of the hoi polloi button up the back.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 09-Jun-22 16:35:46

What’s being built anywhere is down to developers and the local planning department, not the government.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 16:41:40

caravanSerai

Love it.

A Johnson Box.

leeds22 Thu 09-Jun-22 17:23:13

As most new social housing is built by Charities, how can he make these non government owned/funded organisations sell off their housing stock? Terrible idea, from a dreadful man.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 17:37:27

What we are forgetting is that the lying prime minister hardly ever follows through on his promises, so I suppose it is best all dismissed really.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 17:40:37

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Robert Peston
@Peston
On
@BorisJohnson
's plans to give 2.5m tenants of housing associations a Thatcherite right to buy, George Osborne wanted to do this in 2015, but was told he could only compel the associations to sell if he took all their debt on to the public sector balance sheet. He... took fright, and tried to get a voluntary agreement with the associations, which never materialised. Most housing experts believe Johnson will hit the same fiscal brick wall, that what he has re-announced today is a slogan that will see next-to-zero actual privatisation

paddyann54 Thu 09-Jun-22 17:46:43

My area has hundreds of newbuild council houses.Flats ,terraced and semi detached and more being built in Dumbarton now.The right to buy was stopped here a few years ago, as it should have been .Bojo is channelling old PM's he's had his Churchill moment ,now its Thatcher mess.The right to buy was the cause of the whole housing shortage ,so why repeat it?

Luckygirl3 Thu 09-Jun-22 17:52:21

I think God is taking a snooze at the moment Whitewavemark2

Deedaa Thu 09-Jun-22 17:54:28

He may find his red wall voters aren't that impressed. The ones I've seen on Facebook today had the country firmly devided into "Hard working" families and "Scroungers" No grey areas and they don't want the scroungers given anything. We have gone back to the days of the Deserving and Undeserving Poor and the emphasis now is on the Undeserving.

Obviously the idea is pretty impossible. If people are living on the bread line in social housing, with or without benefits they are not going to be able to afford all the extra expense that goes with owning a house, however cheaply you buy it. I remember living for months with no hot water and having the kitchen window replaced with a sheet of cardboard until we could afford the glass. What we need is cheap social housing to get people out of hotels and bedsits and off people's sofas (yes I do mean my DiL)

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 09-Jun-22 17:55:50

Terrible idea. I assume this is just to woo votes from people living in affordable housing. I thought we'd had enough experience of it not working, except for the people who can buy and later sell on at a profit. Taking housing benefits into account in mortgage calculations is an appalling idea. More sub-prime mortgages. He'll certainly come up against problems on social housing which is subject to an obligation to maintain it as such in perpetuity. I've set up a good few of those.

RichmondPark Thu 09-Jun-22 18:00:44

Johnson today: "I want to talk about the single biggest chunk of household expenditure and that’s the cost of housing."

Johnson to Tory MPs on Monday: "There is one chunk of household income that is the biggest of all and that is tax."

RichmondPark Thu 09-Jun-22 18:03:31

"He may find his red wall voters aren't that impressed. The ones I've seen on Facebook today had the country firmly devided into "Hard working" families and "Scroungers" No grey areas and they don't want the scroungers given anything. "

This is mirrored in the comments under the DM article on this.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 18:06:03

Luckygirl3

I think God is taking a snooze at the moment Whitewavemark2

I can hear him snoring?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jun-22 18:39:43

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Russ Jones
@RussInCheshire
·
2h
On it goes.

So far today he's told us building more homes isn't the answer, but that he's going to build 300,000 new homes anyway.

Now saying he probably won't meet his own manifesto promise for new homes. Which is 300,000 homes.