Just when Johnson thought it was all over….

This is the second ethics minister to resign. The first did so after Patel was found to have breached the ministerial code because of her bullying and general nastiness. Johnson refused to hold her to account.

I have been reading the American press over the resignations and there is much merriment that Johnson even has an ethics minister.

What I don’t see is a route to deal with this, as Johnson can overrule whatever any ethics minister finds?

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

I'm just amazed that he hung around so long.

Geidt said that as ethics minister you are under Johnson’s authority, they have no independence. Frankly it is a non-role. The only entity that can hold Johnson to account it seems is the standards committee and I. Not clear what powers they have.

What I think has become crystal clear is that our constitution will not hold up to a rogue government such as we are seeing with Johnson.

We need a complete overhaul and re-look at how to tackle a rogue government. The rule of law must prevail.

GrannyGravy13

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

Yes he is my tablet knows better apparently. Sometimes I go with the flow??

GrannyGravy13

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.

He was educated privately then went in to Cambridge. He then enlisted in the Scots Guards after Sandhurst. Subsequently Army intelligence and has been linked to MI6.
Became a private Secretary to the Queen but resigned after a row about Charles’ succession.

Known to be suave and charming apparently.

Misleading thread title I think.

Johnson appears to be supremely unbothered about anything anyone does that might cause any other person deep shame. He'll sail through this little storm completely unruffled by it.

Nothing is going to get him out of No. 10.

MaizieD

Misleading thread title I think.

Johnson appears to be supremely unbothered about anything anyone does that might cause any other person deep shame. He'll sail through this little storm completely unruffled by it.

Nothing is going to get him out of No. 10.

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We could encourage the doorman to change the lock.

Remember yes minister when Humphrey was locked out of the ministers office?

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.
He was educated privately.
'Ere we go, what difference does that make?
He is a man of morals first and foremost. Whatever school/uni he went to, he has done the right thing.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.

He was educated privately then went in to Cambridge. He then enlisted in the Scots Guards after Sandhurst. Subsequently Army intelligence and has been linked to MI6.
Became a private Secretary to the Queen but resigned after a row about Charles’ succession.

Known to be suave and charming apparently.

Surely it has to be the latter, otherwise he could just have cruised. He must have some principles. There’s speculation that there’s more still in the closet on Johnson according to BBC News this morning. Who will want to be the next ethics minister in those circumstances?

Joseanne

^Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.^
He was educated privately.
'Ere we go, what difference does that make?
He is a man of morals first and foremost. Whatever school/uni he went to, he has done the right thing.

Well no I admit that doesn’t make him interesting?? But his link with the intelligent service does - well to me - at the moment as I’m reading a true story about a Russian KGB’s link to MI 6 and the relationships that he had with our intelligent service and individual MI6. officers.

He was subsequently given some sort of honour by the Queen.

MaizieD

Misleading thread title I think.

Johnson appears to be supremely unbothered about anything anyone does that might cause any other person deep shame. He'll sail through this little storm completely unruffled by it.

Nothing is going to get him out of No. 10.

Currently it suits the Tory party to keep him there to take the flack, until the current problems pass. Then a new untainted leader can replace him, current problems are not likely to be overcome quickly, sterling fell to €1.15 yesterday which is not a good sign, making imports even more costly.

casdon yes I’m sure there is, there always will be with a character like Johnson.

What is so dangerous about him though is that he appears to be willing to do anything he can to save his own skin.

Katie59

MaizieD

Misleading thread title I think.

Johnson appears to be supremely unbothered about anything anyone does that might cause any other person deep shame. He'll sail through this little storm completely unruffled by it.

Nothing is going to get him out of No. 10.

Currently it suits the Tory party to keep him there to take the flack, until the current problems pass. Then a new untainted leader can replace him, current problems are not likely to be overcome quickly, sterling fell to €1.15 yesterday which is not a good sign, making imports even more costly.

That is because of our current status as an emerging currency. Until we have a government that appears to know what it is doing this will get worse.

Whitewavemark2

Joseanne

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.
He was educated privately.
'Ere we go, what difference does that make?
He is a man of morals first and foremost. Whatever school/uni he went to, he has done the right thing.

Well no I admit that doesn’t make him interesting?? But his link with the intelligent service does - well to me - at the moment as I’m reading a true story about a Russian KGB’s link to MI 6 and the relationships that he had with our intelligent service and individual MI6. officers.

He was subsequently given some sort of honour by the Queen.

Thank you Whitewavenark2. You've probably gathered on threads that I am often more interested in the person than in pigeon holing them!
You're right in your comment to Casdon that there will always be more bad people to come along next. Its sad.

oops mark2 not nark2
and certainly not bark2
?

Katie59

MaizieD

Misleading thread title I think.

Johnson appears to be supremely unbothered about anything anyone does that might cause any other person deep shame. He'll sail through this little storm completely unruffled by it.

Nothing is going to get him out of No. 10.

Currently it suits the Tory party to keep him there to take the flack, until the current problems pass. Then a new untainted leader can replace him, current problems are not likely to be overcome quickly, sterling fell to €1.15 yesterday which is not a good sign, making imports even more costly.

Perhaps nearly three years of horror over Johnson as he sails serenely on from one enormity to the next has ground me down. Last night I found myself inwardly confessing a sort of sneaking respect for the way such a monstrous individual has risen above every single attack involving his complete absence of competence,honesty, integrity, morality, conscience, in short, any virtue or trait by which we judge the worth of an individual. A truly virtuoso performance, I thought...

Whoever thought of the Jabba the Hut jibe that Starmer used at yesterday's PMQs was absolutely in the right of it. Johnson is indeed loathesome and immoveable.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.

He was educated privately then went in to Cambridge. He then enlisted in the Scots Guards after Sandhurst. Subsequently Army intelligence and has been linked to MI6.
Became a private Secretary to the Queen but resigned after a row about Charles’ succession.

Known to be suave and charming apparently.

I'm afraid that if it has taken him a year to discover that Johnson had no intention of listening to any advice at all, then, despite his apparently impressive CV, it strikes me that Geidt is just another upper class 'Tim, nice but dim'.

I suspect that after yet another evening of "you will never guess what he did today" his wife/family told him to resign for the sake of his own professional reputation. When Johnson goes, and he will, it will be messy, and all associated with him will be forever tainted. I agree that he has been an enabler by not doing something sooner.

Of all the Prime Ministers we have ever had, there has probably never been one who needs an ethics minister more than Johnson does.
Unfortunately, the very traits that make it so necessary also make such a person's role untenable, as Johnson will only hear what he wants to hear and do what he wants to do.

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

I thought the ethics advisor was called Lord Geidt

Either he wasn’t up to much, didn’t do much advising or more likely Mr,Johnson refused to listen.

Geidt is an interesting character. I’ve been reading about him.

He was educated privately then went in to Cambridge. He then enlisted in the Scots Guards after Sandhurst. Subsequently Army intelligence and has been linked to MI6.
Became a private Secretary to the Queen but resigned after a row about Charles’ succession.

Known to be suave and charming apparently.

I'm afraid that if it has taken him a year to discover that Johnson had no intention of listening to any advice at all, then, despite his apparently impressive CV, it strikes me that Geidt is just another upper class 'Tim, nice but dim'.

Oh quite possibly, but I would perhaps go along with that only to a certain extent.

Tim nice - not sure that he is entirely dim though.

I’m into spooks and traitors at the moment.

HousePlantQueen

I suspect that after yet another evening of "you will never guess what he did today" his wife/family told him to resign for the sake of his own professional reputation. When Johnson goes, and he will, it will be messy, and all associated with him will be forever tainted. I agree that he has been an enabler by not doing something sooner.

I hope all who have supported his behaviour are tainted, HPQ. I wonder if we will ever hear what comes from under the stones when they are turned over.

I have just listened to another car-crash interview on 'Today' with the government puppet trying to sound as if they have credibility. It will be interesting to see if the full resignation letter is published later today.

Sorry, Wwmk2, but he's got to be dim if it's taken him a year tonsuss out Johnson.?