Preferred pronoun badges at the Halifax bank.

You are not being forced. Halifax say youcan take your account elsewhere and as they obviously don’t care about you as a customer you may as well do so. If you can find a bank branch near you that is as so many have closed.

maddyone

StarDreamer
Because if the name is Robin, the person is referred to as Robin. No need for pronouns at all.
Having said that, on the rarest times that I actually go into a bank and speak to a person, I find I have no need to use either their name or their pronouns.

Exactly this.

I can think of no circumstance in which it would matter. If I were talking to Robin, I would (if I used the name at all), simply say 'Robin'. If I talked about Robin to someone else (unlikely), I would say something like 'Robin suggested I talk to you about a mortgage'. If Robin could hear, I would include him or her in the conversation, rather than talk as though they weren't there, and if out of earshot, why would Robin care how I referred to him or her? It seems very self-absorbed to worry about how people refer to you when you are not there.

It's just a PR stunt to get Halifax into the news. It would say more about Halifax's stance on equality if they closed their gender pay gap, which is high.

but some people who look like he might prefer to be referred to as she

In other words a Man.
Why should I be forced to call a man a She? Its ludicrous

If someone wears a badge saying Gemma I would use the pronouns she/her/hers anyway so why put them on? I doubt many customers are that interested or bothered anyway and will just get on with their banking transactions in the usual way. All seems a bit of a fuss to me with Halifax trying to appear the good woke employer where it’s not necessary.

I believe it is a load of old nonsense. We have managed so far in society without having to wear a label to say if we are male or female. I am not interested in this whole virtue signalling, trendy wokery that is being forced on us.

I didn't vote in the referendum.

I gave it a lot of thought, but I could not decide which way to go.

There had been no world war in Europe for many years, so it had worked in helping prevent war.

A petition to remove VAT from veterinary treatment was refused action (for the purported reason of) because of a treaty which came into effect in 1973.

So if the room with green seats cannot even consider a decision such as that, where is this leading?

Yet there had been no world war, with the EU and its earlier versions helping that.

So, which way to go?

I suppose for the Halifax it was cheaper to print a few badges than to give equal pay.

Tesco would continue to supply goods and services to the public.

Except Heinz products it seems.

I sometimes wonder how many people voted Leave because lots of "the bosses" were urging vote Remain.

I'd always hoped people had weighed up the information available, considered the facts and made the choice based on that rather than making such a crucial decision based on some kind of anti-boss stance...but you are perhaps right.

RichmondPark

Sago

Go woke go broke.

John Ringo coined this phrase. He's a Science fiction writer.

His point was that businesses that focused on social justice would drive away conservative clients. He didn't comment on how they would attract non conservative clients.

Evidence suggests that companies with a strong corporate social responsibility do much better in terms of staff attraction and retention and long-term financial performance.

I remember before the referendum when many who could not vote, for example, some companies, were making statements urging people to vote Leave, when Tesco was asked for its opinions, Tesco responded that the decision is for the people and whatever the result Tesco would continue to supply goods and services to the public.

That seemed to me to be quite correct.

Also, it seemed to me to be a good policy because if an urging had been made one way, whichever way, it could have upset some of Tesco's customers.

I sometimes wonder how many people voted Leave because lots of "the bosses" were urging vote Remain.

Couldn't agree with you more Ilovecheese.

Surely a strong sense of social responsibility should include equal rates of pay for both sexes.

maddyone

StarDreamer
Because if the name is Robin, the person is referred to as Robin. No need for pronouns at all.
Having said that, on the rarest times that I actually go into a bank and speak to a person, I find I have no need to use either their name or their pronouns.

Well, yes.

distain disdain

StarDreamer
Because if the name is Robin, the person is referred to as Robin. No need for pronouns at all.
Having said that, on the rarest times that I actually go into a bank and speak to a person, I find I have no need to use either their name or their pronouns.

Sago

Go woke go broke.

John Ringo coined this phrase. He's a Science fiction writer.

His point was that businesses that focused on social justice would drive away conservative clients. He didn't comment on how they would attract non conservative clients.

Evidence suggests that companies with a strong corporate social responsibility do much better in terms of staff attraction and retention and long-term financial performance.

My thoughts about this are, informing customers something along the lines of "if they don't like this new development they can take their accounts elsewhere" is foolish imo, that comment is a trigger for some people to do just that! I don't think any business can be too cavalier particularly when showing a distain towards their client base, it puts me in mind of when, many years ago, Gerald Ratner, anyone remember him? said something along the lines of "the jewellery I sell is rubbish/tat" that offhand remark resulted in a massive downturn in his profits, in fact if I remember rightly his business collapsed.

maddyone

^Cannot see why it’s not just the name on the badge, over complicating the issue.^

Yes indeed. No need to use pronouns then.

Not necessarily.

For example,

Robin Smith

Male or Female?

Daddima me too with the Tiramisu. ?

Cannot see why it’s not just the name on the badge, over complicating the issue.

Yes indeed. No need to use pronouns then.

FarNorth

Here's the original StarDreamer

mobile.twitter.com/HalifaxBank/status/1541692892175110146

Thank you.

How do you mean please?

What a load of old pronouns. I never address a person in the third person anyway. And,

I am female.
I identify as female.
But, according to Sainsbury’s Sticky Toffee Pudding, I am a family of four.

(Posted too soon) from a company!

I am only interested in banking and what benefits eg interest I will get a company. Quite frankly I am fed up with all the pc correctness life can be complicated enough.

And for light relief, here's the Natural History Museum telling us that reptiles can be LGBTQ, or that people are the same as reptiles, or something.....

mobile.twitter.com/NHM_London/status/1542189644984492032