Was Boris Johnson bullied into resigning?

Allsorts, I found your post as quoted by Dinahmo above, absolutely ludicrous. You distorted the facts to suit some distorted view of reality.

I’m glad I don’t squabble with friends over politics maddyone. It would never end well. Ditto religion at times. And the Royal Family/not. Doesn’t matter - when out and about there’s plenty other things to chat away with! Only here when we don’t know one another can we be more direct really. Real life is more circumspect.

Read what people who were at Eton and Oxford with him. He has always been a vicious bully.

VioletSky

Seeing the way they discuss things and heckle each other, it's kind of all a bit playground really.

That's just PMQs, which has no resemblance at all to the reality of parliamentary debate. Try watching a 'normal' debate, or a Select Committee session. That's where the real work is done. That's where it looks serious.

Good point MaizieD. I’ve been watching various ‘MPs speak in support of their chosen candidate. So many articulate, interesting, well informed people. I may not share their political views but it’s good to see them properly outlined in a calm, strong manner.
Pity we’ve had Johnson dominating for so long.

Boris? bullied? The man has the hide of a rhinocerus. It is a bit like saying Donald Trump was bullied.

M0nica

Boris? bullied? The man has the hide of a rhinocerus. It is a bit like saying Donald Trump was bullied.

Exactly, Monica!
How anyone can possibly think that Boris has been bullied is beyond me!

Oldnproud

M0nica

Boris? bullied? The man has the hide of a rhinocerus. It is a bit like saying Donald Trump was bullied.

Exactly, Monica!
How anyone can possibly think that Boris has been bullied is beyond me!

People think he 'got all the big calls right', too. I think that there is a parallel universe ?

Can't remember who said this recently but the quote was 'the only people who like Johnson are the ones who don't know him'.

We cannot say that Boris Johnson was bullied out of his job, he was asked to leave by his own MP’s and Ministers which is quite different.Other PM’s in the past have been asked to resign so not a new thing.I think he has given politics a bad name overall so good that we will have a new PM very soon.

I'd like to know in what way anyone thinks that Johnson was "bullied"?

From his past history, it doesn't look like he's ever been intimidated by anyone. He just continues in his own, bullish, way, doing whatever he sees fit, and ignoring any criticism.

He's totally ignored all the warnings, brushed aside complaints (and found fault with the complainants), made offensive comments about various demographics, smirks, snarls and jeers at anyone who tries to hold him to account.

... and yet, poor ickle "Boris" is being bullied? Give me strength. If anyone is a bully - it is him.

The reason Boris stood by Dominic Cummings, Owen Patterson. Chris Pincher et al had nothing to do with loyalty, everything to do with him not thinking that anything they did was particularly heinous, in the same way he appointed Chris Pincher, knowing his reputation.

Boris has no sense of honour and integrity and saw no reason why others lacking both, or who even behaved in ways that, at best, bordered on legality, should need to resign.

M0nica

The reason Boris stood by Dominic Cummings, Owen Patterson. Chris Pincher et al had nothing to do with loyalty, everything to do with him not thinking that anything they did was particularly heinous, in the same way he appointed Chris Pincher, knowing his reputation.

Boris has no sense of honour and integrity and saw no reason why others lacking both, or who even behaved in ways that, at best, bordered on legality, should need to resign.

Exactly so.

Yes the principle is the same Dianhmo. What was the point of all that heckling for months, instead of dealing with real politics. Now another leader has to be chosen. As I said Keir has no loyalty to this Country, he didn’t care if we went to the dogs as long as Boris went. I did not agree with what he and Boris did, they were both,. Boris is well liked abroad, he has a way of engaging with people, that is what is important, but it’s done now so we move on. But it’s not a victory.
Boris, whatever, will be remembered for two things. Getting Brexit done, getting us out of Europe, what we voted for, Covid and the vaccination programme, party gate and the wall paper business won’t be bothered about. Churchill is remembered for the war, Blair forever tainted by Iraq.
So your patronising comment about the Universe I inhabit falls on stony ground, I live in the real world and don’t pick at a scab until it never heals. People are allowed their own views otgers make an enemy if those who don’t follow their oath

How can you justify the claim that Starmer has no loyalty to the country?

Johnson is an object of ridicule in many countries. I don't know where you get the idea that he's well-liked. Unfortunately, he's dragged the reputation of the country with him.

Where is Johnson well liked? In loads of places in the U.K. he is disliked immensely and that has led to his downfall He’ll be remembered for his lies and giving contracts and rewards to his cronies and donors, dividing the country and flushing the economy down the toilet.

eazybee

Yes I do think he was bullied, and no I do not think he is a bully. Flawed yes, but a fighter and courageous.
One of his faults was being too loyal, witness Dominic Cummings, Owen Paterson and others; bad judgements that led to his downfall.
Margaret Thatcher was pressured, and resigned with grace; we got John Major, who paved the way for T.Blair, who isn't dead yet.

Have you read about his antics at university ?

These apologists for Johnson seem as deluded as he is.
Allsorts, where’s your evidence that Starmer is not loyal to his country?

Internationally Boris Johnson is a laughing stock and brings shame on this country. He is seen as a second Trump and you cannot fall much lower than that. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/29/the-guardian-view-boris-johnson-abroad-more-indulged-than-feted-ukraine-european

I heard an Irish diplomat/politician on the tadio discussing the border situation in Ireland and saying in a quiet dispassionate voice that negotiations with the UK were pointless because they were negotiating with a liar, not a word of whose could be believed because what he said one day would be denied the next.

Iam64

These apologists for Johnson seem as deluded as he is.
Allsorts, where’s your evidence that Starmer is not loyal to his country?

I was thinking exactly the same, lam64.

Definitely viewed as a buffoon for a long time by friends abroad and as leaving lockdown too late

Oldnproud

Iam64

These apologists for Johnson seem as deluded as he is.
Allsorts, where’s your evidence that Starmer is not loyal to his country?

I was thinking exactly the same, lam64.

I'd like to hear why Allsorts says this, too.

Another view of the dreaded Boris is that he is an absolute hero in the Ukraine apparently. Just listening to a Ukrainian spokesman on our tv . They make Boris cakes in his honour !

nanna8

Another view of the dreaded Boris is that he is an absolute hero in the Ukraine apparently. Just listening to a Ukrainian spokesman on our tv . They make Boris cakes in his honour !

They haven't had to live with him...

Allsorts

As I said Keir has no loyalty to this Country

That's quite an accusation - can you back it up with some facts - or at least an opinion on why you think he has no loyalty to this country?

I've heard plenty of people say he's a traitor to the true working class, but I've not yet heard him accused of disloyalty to the nation .