Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

I am not a Conservative party member but have always voted Conservative I would back Nadhim Zahawi straight talking has experience of starting from nothing. I suspect he won’t suffer fools gladly and may well be the man to get the country back on its feet again

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

I think it’s obvious that it’s harder for people from ethnic minority backgrounds to succeed in many areas of life in the UK (as it is, in varying degrees, for people with disabilities, women, poor people et al).

But it is equally obvious that none of the candidates, whatever their ethnicity, are willing to tackle the continuing systemic issues which underpin inequality in this country.

Should any of the ethnic minority candidates win, s/he is just going to pull the ladder up behind them. It’s not unexpected, but it’s despicable.

Prentice

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

For the simple reason, she's my MP. I was talking to a Tory activist the day after she was selected. I've been to two pre-election hustings, so have heard her speak in the flesh with no script and I've had occasion to write to her twice. That's all.

As soon as she was selected, it was obvious that she was a careerist and not entirely honest about her background. She lied about making her base in the constituency and she is hardly ever seen apart from a couple of photo ops every few months. She's an ideological right-winger, who has no time at all for other people of non-white ethnic backgrounds. I know a number of people who have written to her about the refugee crisis and her answers (presumably written from a template by one of her assistants) have always been dismissive. As Equalities Minister, she was responsible for the report which claimed that there is no institutional racism in the UK.

Zonne you declare that last sentence as though it is a fact.It is not.
We do not know what policies will come forth and having listened to Javid yesterday I think he will not be pulling up the ladder, and we cannot say what any of the others would do.
I guess that if posters are against all Conservative MP’s then that is their attitude set in stone.What a pity.
There are good MP’s in all political parties.I admire people who work hard for their constituencies from all the parties.
We need to keep hearts and minds open .

Prentice

growstuff you sound very aggressive towards Kemi Badenoch and to posters on here, as a black older woman I should be used to it, well, I am used to it actually.My amazement is not faux.
Again I wonder why you are singling Kemi out, and again I say I am not promoting her just pleased to see so many ethnic origin MP’s running for the top job in politics.You obviously are not pleased and seem to have a very big problem with this.

I listened today to various talks on the candidates and found that Javid and Zahawa are interesting and capable politicians, and will listen to other candidates today.I have no vote on the outcome.

I am pleased to see any diversity in the people of people wanting to be PM. I have an issue with Badenoch because I know more about her than I do most MPs. To me, her ethnic background is irrelevant. She comes from a privileged background and most certainly doesn't intend to support race issues. My views of her are the same as they would be for anybody who's a useless MP, has hard right political views and lies about her background.

growstuff I see how you feel but you must remember all others are not the same as you nor hold the same political views as you.
Some may consider her a good MP, and not hold her privileged background against her.We cannot hold anybody's background against them, rich or poor.
I suspect she will not do very well in this contest anyway.
It seems that Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss are the most popular.

Prentice

Zonne you declare that last sentence as though it is a fact.It is not.
We do not know what policies will come forth and having listened to Javid yesterday I think he will not be pulling up the ladder, and we cannot say what any of the others would do.
I guess that if posters are against all Conservative MP’s then that is their attitude set in stone.What a pity.
There are good MP’s in all political parties.I admire people who work hard for their constituencies from all the parties.
We need to keep hearts and minds open .

With respect, this is nonsense.

All 11 have committed to swingeing tax cuts which will directly benefit the better off, and will mean the need to reduce public services. This will impact the poor, which includes a disproportionate percentage of black and ethnic minority people, far more, reducing social mobility and effectively destroying the already farcical levelling up programme.

They have all also confirmed their commitment to the Rwanda policy, which means that those who benefitted from a regime which supported refugees, asylum seekers and immigrants, are making sure others like them cannot have the same opportunities. If that isn’t drawing up the ladder behind them, I don’t know what is.

Never have I been or voted Tory. However, I recognise that their choice of a successor to BJ will affect all our lives for good(!) or ill. I am anxious that the majority of the prospective candidates are trying to outdo one another on the subject of tax reductions. I know that this has been a mantra on the back benches of late, but I wonder just how many of these 'low tax tories' have any grasp of the economics of taxation. Low tax, to my mind, would equate with low spending on services. A question they should be addressing is what services they consider ripe for cutting. But is this a question that their electorate, consisting of dyed in the wool tories, would ask?

If I could vote for one candidate I really don't know on what basis I would cast my vote. When I see the faces of those standing for election all I see is their smirking and nodding heads as they sat during PMQ's and supported every lie coming out of our PM's mouth. Now they seem to have undergone a damascene conversion and espouse honesty and integrity. I honestly cannot trust them.

Shapps has pulled out and is now supporting Sunak.

Rees-Mogg and Dorries are supporting Truss

Rees-Mogg and Dorries support Truss. Says it all.

grumppa

Rees-Mogg and Dorries support Truss. Says it all.

Allegedly Dorries has said Truss is a better brexiteer than both of them. Truss voted remain…..

“Grant Shapps, the Tory party chairman, had a second job as a “multimillion-dollar web marketer” under the pseudonym Michael Green for at least year after he first became an MP.

It is a suggestion that Shapps has repeatedly denied for three years, but the Guardian has discovered a recording from the summer of 2006 in which the Conservative MP for Welwyn Hatfield boasts his products could make listeners a “ton of cash by Christmas..”
he was confronted by this on Ch4 news last night. Probably one reason why he has withdrawn. That and getting no support….

Zonne I do not agree with you.In my world this is quite ok to not agree.
It will be better to have a new PM that was not in the Cabinet I think, and hopefully this will happen.

Mogg and Dorries supporting Truss, kiss of death imo.

Yes, Truss is finished now, judging by who is backing her. Good lord, it must be like the court of Henry V111 at the moment, all the promises, trade offs, future ministerial positions being waved about. Plotting in tea rooms........

Maybee70; the Michael Green pseudonym is just one of several. A constituent of Shapps/Green had challenged him about his pyramid selling, get rich quick scheme which he was pushing under the name of Michael Green. Shapps denied it, threated to sue for defamation, lied and lied and lied, then decided that it was true after all. What on earth motivates someone with this dubious history to stand as PM knowing this would all come out again?

I think it’s going to be down to Sunak and Mordaunt. The latter worked for George Bush so I assume if she was in America she would be a Republican.

Our system is so wrong, permitting a very small percentage of the voting public, who are not representative of the rest of us, to have the privilege of choosing our next prime minister.

Prentice totally agree that it’s okay to have different views, but I’m not sure what you are disagreeing with me about?

I am not convinced that Mogg and Dorries supporting Truss means the end of her candidacy. They are obviously doing it with the approval of Johnson, who may have enough support left to get her through to the next round.

I suppose Bossyrossy it has to be this way, because if you think about it, any Labour or LibDem voter would just vote for a rubbish Tory leader who would be unpopular and easy to beat at the next GE!

I'm just reading these with horror, good grasp of economy, Tories have spent huge sums on private contracts for PPE for example paid huge sums, often to people they know, awarding these to people who had no experience of provision of these things and ignoring the companies who are approved experienced contractors. Rishi Sunk wrote off large amounts of money given for covid but found to be fraudulent. What makes this good money management? Cos it seems the opposite to me

Looking at the number of MP supporters so far, it looks like Sunak, followed by Mordaunt, followed by Tugendhat.

Bossyrossy

Our system is so wrong, permitting a very small percentage of the voting public, who are not representative of the rest of us, to have the privilege of choosing our next prime minister.

With all due respect Bossyrossy our system allows for we the voters to elect an MP, the vast majority will vote for the MP that represents the party they favour.
The selection of the party leader is the job of the MPs and, in the case of the Conservatives, the final two are voted for by those of us who have paid our £25 membership fee.
The general population does not vote for a Prime Minister although I do believe that some charismatic leaders can influence the vote.