So the Final 2 - Liz and Rishi

Maudi

18:02MayBee70
? Are you for real

Are you happy to buy meat from hormone fed beef. Or from animals that have been treated so inhumanely?

This whole process is making me feel very uncomfortable.

It is both profoundly undemocratic and the winner totally lacks legitimacy.

I always buy British

Seriously, there is no cruelty in farming in the EU? Veal crates still exist in most EU countries as do Sow breeding pens + intensive farming particularly pigs in Denmark and the Netherlands,no free range for them, all extremely cruel. Live Goose plucking in Poland for their down, ditto Angora rabbits plucked (alive) for their fur. They scream when their tormentors approach them. The EU doesn't allow cruelty, don't make me laugh, the EU has a very convenient blind eye. 'Its the economy etc.'

Jaberwok

Seriously, there is no cruelty in farming in the EU? Veal crates still exist in most EU countries as do Sow breeding pens + intensive farming particularly pigs in Denmark and the Netherlands,no free range for them, all extremely cruel. Live Goose plucking in Poland for their down, ditto Angora rabbits plucked (alive) for their fur. They scream when their tormentors approach them. The EU doesn't allow cruelty, don't make me laugh, the EU has a very convenient blind eye. 'Its the economy etc.'

So that makes the trade deal right?

Maudi

18:02MayBee70
? Are you for real

She certainly is. While in the EU we could be reasonably confident that the food we imported from them was safe to eat.

I seem to recall that when the (now very unlikely) trade deal with the US was being mooted, one of the conditions that the US was insisting on was that any foods we imported from them wasn't labelled with its origin. That's so consumers couldn't reject their chlorinated chicken and hormone & antibiotic riddled beef.

And before you start with the 'chlorine isn't poisonous' comment, I'll remind you that the reason for treating US chicken with chlorine is that they are reared in such filthy conditions that they need to be disinfected before they are eaten. And, the US has a far. far, higher incidence of food poisoning per capita than does the UK. Go figure...

I only buy British free range chicken and eggs.

Maybe70 I am puzzled as to what is a threat to your life.
Whitewavemark2 Am also puzzled by you saying you feel uncomfortable, are you a Conservative voter but not a member so that you do not have a say in this matter?
All political parties may change their leader or the PM by MP’s and members voting to replace them if they choose to because of worries or circumstances.It has been done before.
Would you prefer Mr Johnson to remain in place?
There will be a General Election in a few years time and then all voters can decide to keep the present PM and government or to change to the Labour Party.
I feel it is better to replace Mr Johnson.

It is true Jaberwok that there are many cruel farming practices going on in various EU countries.
We must not think all in the EU are wonderful, and all US or Australian farming are bad, it is not like this at all.
My brother has lived most of his life in the US, eats plenty of meat and chicken and is healthy.
There really are some scare tactics being used on social media.

No of course not, but don't try to suggest that the EU stamps down on cruelty to farm animals as that is clearly rubbish.. Forgot to mention Foi Gras. That certainly comes under cruelty and is actually encouraged.

Oh Foi Gras is a disgusting thing.

Exactly Prentice, I agree with your comments. I too have in-laws who live, and have lived in the US for many years, eat all meat and have never had food poisoning! ditto with my cousins in Australia . I only eat free range meat from our local butcher as some practices in this country can at times be unethical.

For Gras is vile.

If your relations shop and eat as ethically as you Jaberwok perhaps they don't experience lower welfare standard products.

MayBee70

Callistemon21

MayBee70

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

Truss has a trade deal with Australia.

I shall not be purchasing Australian meat

It will be a very small portion of the meat in the markets here. No-one has to buy it.

Not all Australian meat is produced like that and the meat imported into the UK will be subject to our regulations.

Are these the regulations that are being re regulated or removed?

I'm sure it will be labelled. ??

Easy to avoid if you don't wish to buy it.

I used to live in a country where I didn’t have to protect my life by reading the small print….

So - did you eat horsemeat from the EU, labelled as beef?
Have you eaten British turkey?

Unless you eat locally produced meat the provenance of which you have followed though every step, then you can never be sure.

I always read the small print or at least look out for ?? - don't you?

I used to live in a country where I didn’t have to protect my life by reading the small print ….

Where was that?

Maudi

I only buy British free range chicken and eggs.

So do we but unfortunately poor farming practices in egg production are polluting the River Wye and the river s dying.

Oh No, you can never be totally sure. Eating out? Probably best to avoid meat , lunch at a friend's house, who knows? Don't think US in laws are particularly ethical! Australian cousins are but I think they do lapse. They certainly wouldn't eat foi gras, or Veal, or have a feathers and down duvet without scrutiny.

Callistemon21

Maudi

I only buy British free range chicken and eggs.

So do we but unfortunately poor farming practices in egg production are polluting the River Wye and the river s dying.

Wouldn’t happen if the government tightened the law and dished out higher penalties.

The Enviroment Agency are crying out to be allowed greater powers of enforcement, but nothing forthcoming from this shower of a government.

Yes, Whitewave, there were threads about it fairly recently.
I don't just know about it from GN, of course.

There is a difference between 'cruelty free' food and 'safe' food.

I think that, over the next year or so, most people will just be buying the cheapest food they can, regardless of how safe it is or how the animal was reared. Having just seen how my energy bill is going to increase when my fixed rate comes to an end I’m looking to see how I can cut back on spending.

Ours for June is ? already Maybee and it's summer.

It’s going to go from £94 pm to over £200 and that’s probably before the next expected increase.

Approximately 40% of beef produced in Australia is fed hormones in the very last month or so of its life
ie 60% is not

There is no reason whatsoever that hormone treated beef should enter the UK.

Supermarkets in Australia are selling beef which is not fed hormones and some have banned it altogether.

I do wish people would stop scaremongering about Australian food.

(I voted to remain too btw)