Transphobic Bullying

I think it means that we can differentiate (discuss different facets of one subject)

I often have to Google words I use after using them to check i used them correctly, my brain doesn't work as well these days

VioletSky

MissAdventure

I don't see why a particular section of people need special protection.

No bullying - no name calling, no "banter", no pushing, shoving, tripping, or defacing of someone's possessions.
No threats, no derogatory words, no laughing or joking at the expense of that person.

Surely that covers everyone?

There are lots of different types of bullying that impact children differently MissA

And we need to recognise and respond accordingly

I guess it's a bit like saying "All lives matter" when we don't understand that different demographics are impacted differently across the board

Ina school there has to be equality between all pupils, and if one group has a special policy, or special attention paid to names being used against them there is not equality.

Saying 'all bullying is bad' is not the same as saying 'All Lives Matter', as the latter is a corruption of a phrase (Black Lives Matter) that talks about a specific political problem and is used to negate it.

That all bullying is bad is undeniable. Yes, different demographics are impacted differently (I thought I'd left that sort of textbook-speak behind, but never mind ) but that's not the point. If one child bullies another there should be consequences, regardless of the 'reason' (and often there is not a reason), and one group shouldn't get special consideration.

Yes, inclusion matters, but to suggest that there is a problem with bullying of a tiny group of children seems very exclusive of the vast majority of other bullied children, and is likely to add to the resentment of the minority group who get so much attention.

Glorianny

Doodledog

This tread moves so quickly!

I agree that TQ needs to come out of LGBTQ, Lathyrus. Apart from the fact that a lot of gay people (particularly lesbians) are very resentful of the bullying they get from TRAs, it doesn't help the confusion between issues of sexuality and those of transpeople, which are still widespread.

I also agree about single sex spaces, FN. I don't know what the answer is regarding transwomen who are still intact males but I do agree that women need to have the safety of reliable single sex spaces.

It's nothing to do with issues of sexuality and/or transpeople. The reason doesn't matter. It's a matter of equality and the reasons used to discriminate against groups of people. The trans and queer letters were introduced to help those who felt marginalised. And actually things have already moved on. The commonly used expression is now LGBTQ+ because of non-binary people.

No. That is not the term which LGB people use or wish to have used.

TQ+ have very different issues from LGB and they should not be conflated into one as in People who are not conventionally heterosexual.

LGBTQ+ is not acceptable to LGBs when discussing purely TQ+ issues.

Bullying has been going on for a long time

We can treat the symptoms

Or

We can work to prevent the contagion

Which would mean understanding through discussing its different facets

VioletSky

Bullying has been going on for a long time

We can treat the symptoms

Or

We can work to prevent the contagion

Which would mean understanding through discussing its different facets

Well yes, but this thread is not about 'it's different facets'. it is about 'transphobic bullying'.

A lot of us are saying that bullying can't be narrowed down like that, and that any attempt to do so is not inclusive of all the bullied children in a school (which is responsible to all the pupils, not just those with gender dysphoria or other 'trans issues').

OK * doodledog* I'm sure you could start your own thread on a more general level and not waste time and energy here of it doesn't suit

That's not the point. Of course I could start a new thread, but my point is that every time someone suggests a solution on this one the goalposts move.

Comments about bullying in general are shifted to 'trans slurs', and commenter about the bullying of trans children are told about general anti-bulling policies.

But that's what this thread is about

VioletSky

But that's what this thread is about

General bullying or just bullying of trans children?

Transphobic bullying

And with that we come full circle!

toscalily

And with that we come full circle!

Uh huh

Actually, it seems that this thread is only about one point of view.
That only trans children get bullied and the denial that trans children are capable of bullying, using their trans status to do so.
Any other concerns about transphobic bullying that don’t fit that point of view are denied, ignored, dismissed as lies, etc.
A detour into all forms of bullying are bad which is true, is used as a way to avoid admitting that trans children can do what I’ve seen happen.
I’ve read statements about “children don’t always tell the truth to their parents”, with the implication that trans children do, but other children don’t.

Fortunately it seems that whilst all posters agree that bullying is wrong, most posters do not exclude trans children from being bullies.

I’d like to ask my own slightly off topic question. Why do you think a girl who has decided she is a boy, opt to go to an all girl’s school?

Mollygo

None of the children in the OP are trans

Did the girl choose that for herself, after saying she was a boy ?

VS I was confused after reading your OP and I'm still confused after reading it again.

I'm fairly sure that no-one on this thread uses transphobic language or condones transphobic bullying so we can't actually do anything to improve the situation.

You can do something by tackling the school, as you told us you will .

I don't know what more you hope for, from this thread.

Lathyrus

Glorianny

Doodledog

This tread moves so quickly!

I agree that TQ needs to come out of LGBTQ, Lathyrus. Apart from the fact that a lot of gay people (particularly lesbians) are very resentful of the bullying they get from TRAs, it doesn't help the confusion between issues of sexuality and those of transpeople, which are still widespread.

I also agree about single sex spaces, FN. I don't know what the answer is regarding transwomen who are still intact males but I do agree that women need to have the safety of reliable single sex spaces.

It's nothing to do with issues of sexuality and/or transpeople. The reason doesn't matter. It's a matter of equality and the reasons used to discriminate against groups of people. The trans and queer letters were introduced to help those who felt marginalised. And actually things have already moved on. The commonly used expression is now LGBTQ+ because of non-binary people.

No. That is not the term which LGB people use or wish to have used.

TQ+ have very different issues from LGB and they should not be conflated into one as in People who are not conventionally heterosexual.

LGBTQ+ is not acceptable to LGBs when discussing purely TQ+ issues.

Sorry are you speaking for all people in the gay community Lathyrus? I will agree there have always been a section of people who did not recognise and actively discriminated against trans people. But the ones I know are inclusive and welcoming and recognise all the people included in those letters, partly because having experienced discrimination themselves they are entirely against exclusion and realise there is strength for minorities in banding together. By all means say there are some people who only want LGB but they re not the majority or indeed representative of the whole.

FarNorth

VS I was confused after reading your OP and I'm still confused after reading it again.

I'm fairly sure that no-one on this thread uses transphobic language or condones transphobic bullying so we can't actually do anything to improve the situation.

You can do something by tackling the school, as you told us you will .

I don't know what more you hope for, from this thread.

It's just a discussion FarNorth about something that concerns me

Being LGBTQ...

The TQ belongs

And if its a democracy, I'd have a vote

VioletSky

Mollygo

None of the children in the OP are trans

None of the children in the OP are trans
So the words are being thrown around as insults, probably by children without much understanding of them, may have been heard because transgender issues are much in the media at the moment.

It sounds as if the words are the latest ones to be added to long lists of words about people which have been taken and used to bully others without thought of how hurtful they can be.

I understood that this was a primary school too so perhaps the children are too young to really know what they are saying, although of course all kinds of bullying should be dealt with, whatever the words used.

If you are saying, for instance, Stonewall aims to represent LGBTQ+ then you can use that Acronyn, because Stonewall would say they aim to work for all those represented by those initials.

But if you say, when talking about trans issues such as believing you are in the wrong body, accessing women’s safe spaces, competing in women’s sports etc this affects LGBTQ+ then clearly it is wrong to include LGB because none of these issues apply to them.

Do I speak for them? Well, you seem to think you do. You know what the majority think.? I doubt it,

Of course you’d have a vote in a democracy Violetsky. Though you perhaps wouldn’t have the majority.

Times have changed.

Callistemon

My daughters are at secondary

I work in primary

Yes that's what I keep trying to explain, these insults are coming from ill feeling in the media and places like twitter towards trans people..

I think those using slurs know exactly what they are saying because they are bullying children who don't conform to gender norms or prefer to use a cubicle rather than the communal area to change.

Which also shows strong roots in sexism

VS I understood that this was a primary school ????
Did you read my post on 14:08:22 at 19:18?