Johnson's mental health?

That sewage near Dundee?

It was a burst pipe near to the Tay which poured sewage into the river for a few hours. A breakdown, not a policy. I spent some time sitting in the traffic jam that the roadworks caused. A couple of days later, we've been declared sewage free again.

Not the same thing at all as the pumping of sewage into rivers and the sea that is going on south of the border.

volver

That sewage near Dundee?

It was a burst pipe near to the Tay which poured sewage into the river for a few hours. A breakdown, not a policy. I spent some time sitting in the traffic jam that the roadworks caused. A couple of days later, we've been declared sewage free again.

Not the same thing at all as the pumping of sewage into rivers and the sea that is going on south of the border.

There’s a problem everywhere volver.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58040852
There is plenty more online about Scottish discharges. I’m not having a go at Scotland, lack of funding to the water industry is a decades long problem everywhere, and the Scottish government is reliant on increased funding if they are to improve, of course. There’s a bigger issue though, around the whole water industry infrastructure in all the nations. I’m in favour of nationalisation, and a joined up resilience plan, and investment to out right decades of neglect to the infrastructure, and punishment for non compliance.

No, sorry "Casdon*. The accidental failure of a sewage pipe is in no way comparable to a policy that allows English water companies to legally dump sewage into watercourses.

There maybe funding problems but they have not decided that polluting is ok and they should just go ahead.

I don’t think I implied that there was deliberate sewage dumping in Scotland volver, just that sewage dumping was happening, whereas paddyann54 said it wasn’t - but apologies if it came over that way. As I said there are huge issues to be tackled about water and sewerage in all the nations, and a lot of investment to put right decades of underfunding, and I think it would be wrong to underplay the reality that Scotland has much to do within that remit too. I’ve been reading up about the issues and to be honest it’s scary. I really hope this drought shakes the Westminster government, working in partnership with the Scottish and Welsh governments, into urgent action.

But your exemple was NOT sewage 'dumping'.

Fleurpepper

But your exemple was NOT sewage 'dumping'.

It was sewage on beaches Fleurpeper and that’s what I said it was?

We are right off topic now but I want to add something.

Two beaches in Scotland may have had sewage on them last week because of a burst pipe. The Tay is a pretty big river round about there, and flows pretty quickly, so it was probably a case of being careful about the status of the beaches, just in case. Goodness knows how many beaches in England had sewage on them because the government is allowing a festival of sewage dumping.

Conflating an accident which was quickly fixed, with a policy that the Tory Government is supporting, is going to be misleading.

As I said volver, I’m sorry if I posted a poor example, I didn't say it was deliberate, and used that because it was the most recent, not in an attempt to deceive. You only have to look online to see there are lots of examples of sewage in rivers and the sea in Scotland, just as there are everywhere else. I can post them if it would help, but I know you know it’s the case, so there’s not much point. What I took exception to was the denial that it was the case (not from you), when it is clearly happening.

'dumping' implies 'deliberate.

but we are way of course here!

off!

Johnson's behaviour doesn't appear to me to be any different now than it has been throughout his entire life. He has always been unreliable, irresponsible, 'out there', amoral, a stranger to the truth and a liability to those around him in every area of his life.

This isn't a mental health condition is it? It seems more likely to me that it's just his method of operating. He messes things up then he moves on. He doesn't seem to have ever genuinely cared about or regretted anything and he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

He has consistently destroyed everything anyone else might hold dear but up he bobs, he ruffles his hair and on he strides.
Water off a duck's back.

He's learned he can get away with anything and expects to continue doing so.

I thought Johnson was a self serving, lying, incompetent London mayor. He then went on to become a self serving, lying, incompetent PM.

But, he only does it, and behaves like this, because he's been allowed to.

For some reason, too many voters bypass the normal standards they should expect from a leader, and vote for him anyway.

It must have come as a huge shock to him when his own MPs ousted him.

According to insiders, he expects Truss to quickly fail, and is plotting his comeback.?

DiamondLily

I thought Johnson was a self serving, lying, incompetent London mayor. He then went on to become a self serving, lying, incompetent PM.

But, he only does it, and behaves like this, because he's been allowed to.

For some reason, too many voters bypass the normal standards they should expect from a leader, and vote for him anyway.

It must have come as a huge shock to him when his own MPs ousted him.

According to insiders, he expects Truss to quickly fail, and is plotting his comeback.?

Just like Trump

And, just like Trump, he has a band of supporters who admire his determination to ignore normal expectations and behave exactly as the moment encourages them to do.

Thanks for all your contributions and thought. Very interesting.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with Johnson that would fit a diagnosis. I wouldn’t give him that excuse. He’s a prat. End of. Probably the majority of politicians are the same but some are bigger prats than others. He happens to be a large one.

Agree totally DiamondLily, except I would have added bastard

According to insiders, he expects Truss to quickly fail, and is plotting his comeback.

I think everyone is expecting Truss to fail. Though I think most people are hoping that will bring on. GE and we can get rid of the whole lot ?

Fleurpepper

Thanks for all your contributions and thought. Very interesting.

Contributions are only coming from the left, though. The right don't bother with this forum any more...

It would be interesting to know what they think...

Hopefully, the Tories will self destruct over the coming months.

If Truss is the best they can muster, it's a poor show.

But, Starmer needs to be all over them - when Major's government was limping to it's end, Blair was attack/attack/attack, on a daily basis.

He never gave Major any peace.?

Starmer needs to do the same - point out their mistakes, but also say what Labour would do differently, and how it would be paid for.

We all know what a disaster Johnson's tenure has been - the alternatives need spelling out to voters.

Blair had the advantage of being supported by Murdoch, whole gave him the headlines he needed.

I am hoping that the Tory/Brexit voters on GN are beginning to understand what a disaster it all is, but not yet willing to say so.

I think that the truth is that just like fish, most political parties begin to stink after about 10 years in office and need to shove aside to let the opposition take office.

Taking responsability and admitting you were wrong is probably the hardest thing to do.

Some of course blame it all on dasdarly remainers and a remainer's Brexit- seen the Mail on Sunday?

As a remainer are we doing that? The remainer campaign was not great and the complacency and lack of challenge re the importance of our relationship went on for years, it's easy to be wise with hindsight but we did fail as well.