King Charles III

DaisyAnne
I think you are correct, but do not expect to enjoy the last word on this.
volver sarcasm is never a clever thing, just a nasty thing when aimed at your fellow GN members.

Oscar Wilde thought it was quite clever.

Who do I side with? Prentice or Oscar? It's a dilemma...

I suppose Prentice thinks DaisyAnne is correct in things she thinks she knows about me that I have said aren't true, so I guess I'll just leave it there.

volver

I'm so often wrong but you have declined to tell me where. Apart from trying to convince me that somebody born and brought up in Hertfordshire to a family with roots in Durham is actually Scottish.

Ach well, I shall continue in my ignorance.

I'm getting lost, multitasking.

Does that post refer to the Queen Mother?

Yes.

Another quote - this from Edmund Burke

Because half a dozen grasshoppers under a fern make the field ring with their importunate chink, whilst thousands of great cattle, reposed beneath the shadow of the British Oak, chew the cud and are silent, pray do not imagine that those who make the noise are the only inhabitants of the field.

Daisy Anne and Prentice don’t for one moment think your views don’t count. Your contributions to this thread are being read and are valued. Let the grasshoppers chink!

??????

volver

^The Queen's mother was Scottish.^

No, she was not.

You appear to be confusing her father holding a Scottish Earldom with actually being Scottish.

Through her mother's family, the Bowes-Lyons, Earls of Strathmore, she could trace her ancestry back through generations of Scottish nobility to Sir John Lyon, Thane of Glamis, who married Robert II's daughter in the fourteenth century.

It is nothing to do with an Earldom. Ethnically - if you do a DNA test - she will show up as having Scottish DNA. It may not be 100% Scottish but it would be rare to find anyone who is 100% anything.

I wonder what we would find it we did a DNA test on you Volver? Families have found some really surprising results. I, for instance, would have two strands leading to French DNA although it will have been divided down by other ancestors by now.

somebody born and brought up in Hertfordshire

That is completely irrelevant. I was born in Germany and spent a large part of my childhood there, but I am, neither by heritage nor national identity, German. That really is a very strange way to look at it. Again, this sort of idea is one we might see from extremists who think they can decide who people are and who they are not.

I wonder what we would find it we did a DNA test on you Volver?

Well I shall put you out of your misery. Done it already.

100% Scottish, my ancestors walked in from Doggerland 10,000 years ago.

DH was born in England, has German and French DNA. He's still Scottish though.

The late Queen's eldest son was the Duke of Rothesay before he acceded to the throne. Having the title doesn't make you Scottish.

And Robert the Bruce was French.

It was a passing remark Vover. I'm really not that interested in someone who tries to divide by ethnicity. It's been done before, and it wasn't great that time round.

DaisyAnne

It was a passing remark Vover. I'm really not that interested in someone who tries to divide by ethnicity. It's been done before, and it wasn't great that time round.

That's quite insulting. But not unexpected.

How much does it matter?

I was born in Scotland as were both of my parents.

One of my grandparents was half English and half Welsh. All my other antecedents as far as we know were entirely Scottish.

My DH was born in England (there was a war on at the time) but both his parents were almost 100% Scottish as far as they knew but his father's family originated in the borders and a family bible lists an ancestor born in the 18th century in Newcastle upon Tyne, which was, by coincidence the birthplace of our oldest child.

My mother-in law used to talk about the possibility of a great grandmother or great-great grandmother who was French.

One of my children was born in Hong Kong. One of her children was born in Switzerland.

How much does it matter?

This thread has taken an extremely unpleasant turn

I hope my post was not unpleasant GG

I merely asked "How much does it matter?"

varian

I hope my post was not unpleasant GG

I merely asked "How much does it matter?"

Not at all Varian

varian

I hope my post was not unpleasant GG

I merely asked "How much does it matter?"

Just realised my previous post was unclear.

I didn’t find your post unpleasant, and agree with your question what does it matter

Well I shall put you out of your misery. Done it already.

100% Scottish, my ancestors walked in from Doggerland 10,000 years ago.

My turn ???????

Tbh to most of us it doesn't! though why it should to anyone is beyond me. (sigh)

It only matters, a bit like racism, when one group thinks that their birth makes them superior. Otherwise why would it matter?

I have been extremely moved today watching the warm and sympathetic reception given by the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland to their Majesties and in Scotland to the other family members in the last few days. Particularly in Scotland they must have been comforted by the expressions of high esteem in which the late Queen was held and the number of times she was described as “one of theirs”.

volver

DaisyAnne

It was a passing remark Vover. I'm really not that interested in someone who tries to divide by ethnicity. It's been done before, and it wasn't great that time round.

That's quite insulting. But not unexpected.

Perhaps you should think about what you are saying Vover What you are suggesting about division of identity by presumed ethnicity is insulting.

varian

How much does it matter?

I was born in Scotland as were both of my parents.

One of my grandparents was half English and half Welsh. All my other antecedents as far as we know were entirely Scottish.

My DH was born in England (there was a war on at the time) but both his parents were almost 100% Scottish as far as they knew but his father's family originated in the borders and a family bible lists an ancestor born in the 18th century in Newcastle upon Tyne, which was, by coincidence the birthplace of our oldest child.

My mother-in law used to talk about the possibility of a great grandmother or great-great grandmother who was French.

One of my children was born in Hong Kong. One of her children was born in Switzerland.

How much does it matter?

It doesn't Varian. Not to the majority of us.

Mollygo

It only matters, a bit like racism, when one group thinks that their birth makes them superior. Otherwise why would it matter?

Thank you Mollygo. I must learn to write more succinct post You got what I was trying to say in two lines.

Perhaps you should think about what you are saying Vover What you are suggesting about division of identity by presumed ethnicity is insulting.

At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam DaisyAnne, I don't know what it is you are reading but its not what I post.

We're on a bit of a slippery slope when you start accusing people of things you imagine they mean, rather than what they actually mean.

Next we'll be arresting people for carrying blank pieces of paper.

And its Volver.

Yes, GrannyGravy, it has become unpleasant and sniping. Many threads do now - I begin to feel I've had enough and don't enjoy GN as much as I did.

Prentice

tickingbird incorrigible, yes I like that and do agree.
I think that volver and Lucca are supporters of the Sussex's, there really are not many on this forum and I do wonder if that is because they are Scottish and support leaving the Union? I cannot see any other reason for supporting Harry and Meghan after their behaviour and words towards the royal family.They have certainly lost support within the UK.

I agree that supporters of Harry and Meghan who post here are far outnumbered by those who seem to be poised, waiting for any opportunity to criticise them.
I may be wrong but my impression is that /Lucca and volver aren’t necessarily ‘supporters of the Sussex’s’ more, thst they have a sense of fairness and the ability to see more than one, rather unpleasant, simplistic view of H and M.
I’m in that camp. I find it curious that so much anger and criticism is thrown at these two.
Estrangement is never simple. Occasionally, there are reasons most of us can understand. More usually, complex histories abd relationships contribute.
The idea that being a Scottish nationalist could be the reason for ‘supporting’ them boggles my brain
My dna is much more scattered than volver. I do have Scottish in there. If I lived in Scotland I’d want independence. I’m in England and would be sad to see the end of the union