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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 14:58:22

Anniebach. . Rather obvious that this thread is on the hit list of threads to
be deleted,

You’re probably correct there Annie. Has anyone noticed the common denominator where deleted threads are concerned?

MaizieD Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:12

To make the eldest son of the monarch Prince of Wales started as an insult to the Welsh, a constant reminder that the Welsh are a conquered nation.

Genuine question.

Is that an accurate and verified historical fact? The 'insult', I mean.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:21

But I wasn’t addressing you volver. I wasn’t addressing anyone in particular. Look at the post again and perhaps apologise.

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:21

Yes tickingbird it’s so obvious

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:50

Nothing to understand Volver. You’re wrong again.

GSM was talking to the participants on this thread, not directly to you! I know it’s difficult for you but, truly, not everything is about you.

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 15:02:09

Crossed posts GSM

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:08:32

Not holding my breath btw.

Mollygo Fri 16-Sept-22 15:17:11

Good example of mochyn daear Volver. ?

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 15:18:46

Is this Pendants' Corner or have I lost my way?

The question is was it a general, rhetorical question to all or was it direct address?

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:22:38

I will not apologise GSM as you were "talking" about me to others and making assumptions about what I thought and what I had done. You actually used my name.

Its just rude. Perhaps you might apologise for that?

I'll not hold my breath either.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:23:49

not everything is about you.

Even the posts that talk about what I might be thinking and use my name?

Gosh, this is complicated...

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:38:11

Really volver, I didn’t think it possible but you are getting worse.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:39:44

How rude.

Please somebody, stick up for me.?

I sense a campaign.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:44:26

I am not part of any campaign. But I am getting rather fed up with your rudeness to all and sundry volver.

Pantglas2 Fri 16-Sept-22 15:55:24

MaizieD

^To make the eldest son of the monarch Prince of Wales started as an insult to the Welsh, a constant reminder that the Welsh are a conquered nation.^

Genuine question.

Is that an accurate and verified historical fact? The 'insult', I mean.

I was taught (by a left wing south Walian history teacher with a republican streak) that it was an appeasement rather than an insult.

The play on words “I give you a Prince of Wales who speaks no English” was to satisfy those insisting they wanted a prince who’d been born in Wales and spoke no English! Be careful what you ask for is the lesson learned isn’t it!

Methinks there are more important things about a PoW than where he was born and linguistics. William had no choice on the former and I don’t doubt he’ll bring his best efforts to the Welsh language as his father did.

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 16:01:19

volver

How rude

Please somebody, stick up for me.?

I sense a campaign.

Wow! Totally overestimating your importance - again!

LauraNorderr Fri 16-Sept-22 16:02:38

If this going to be a campaign may I plead for the return of Alegrias, I believe she is a scientist, I know she helped us all understand covid, the implications, the vaccine, she saw off the anti-Vaxers with solid and reasoned argument. She is a Scot with passionate pro independence views which again were well researched, well argued and convincing. She always played the ball and not the man, she did not allow herself to be dragged in to petty squabbles and semantics, she would often make a robust and intelligent point and walk away, thereby strengthening her point rather than weakening her argument scoring petty points. I had a great deal of respect for Alegrias and would welcome the return of that poster.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 16:05:22

That poster seemed to change along with her name Laura. She was indeed all the things you say and is much missed,

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 16:06:45

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Aveline Fri 16-Sept-22 16:07:42

LauraNorderr I assume your tongue is firmly in your cheek. If not you'll find that Alegrias is with us.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 16-Sept-22 16:08:18

This is getting really silly

LauraNorderr Fri 16-Sept-22 16:13:18

Yes Aveline firmly in cheek.
I do enjoy the cut and thrust of intelligent argument, occasional sarcasm when justified. I don’t enjoy any thread that descends in to pettiness. Some posters pursue it to the nth degree, the point I was making was that Alegrias didn’t. Volver does.
May I add that I’m surprised that a strong character like Alegrias allowed herself to be driven off but I know the feeling.

LauraNorderr Fri 16-Sept-22 16:16:33

Come back under either name with your good strong, intelligent, robust argument Alegrias/Volver.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 16:16:51

I think that Alegrias finally understood that trying to be reasonable with some posters was just a waste of time for her, and that some were just so set in their ways that they would never listen to reason. Also that there were some posters who would just try to make her angry for no reason, just because they could. Its a sad state of affairs. I wish Alegrias could just have ignored those nasty posters, but it was not to be.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 16:17:21

My mum went for an interview in London for a job in Johannesburg, 1950s, and they got excited when she told them she wasn't English. They babbled away in their language to which she replied "ek kan nie afrikaans praat nie, I am Welsh."
After processing her answer for a minute, they came back with the comment, "That's OK then, you know what it's like to be downtrodden by the English, the job is yours." shock