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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 11:41:32

I know I've been over in France a long while now, but am I missing something?
A change of king? What happened to Charles?
Only in a French newspaper. grin
(Hope photo is clear enough.)

fairfraise Fri 16-Sept-22 11:46:22

Camilla looks as if she's enjoying the music in Llandaff.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 11:54:09

Oops sorry, Federer photo should have been on the King Charles thread, not here PoW.
Actually I doubt if he has ever played a tennis tournament in Wales? ?

Still, a bit of light relief from the ding dong volleys.

Farzanah Fri 16-Sept-22 12:51:31

Chestnut and how many of them are actually Welsh? You could say that about anyone in Wales, Scotland or N Ireland. I for example have one Welsh and one Scottish parent. The UK has been a cultural and ethnic melting pot for centuries.

However since Charles was invested as PoW there have been major changes in Wales. Many more young ones now speak Welsh, it is more widely used and more schools teach lessons in Welsh. The Senedd Cymru has been established, and there is an increasing sense of identity in Wales as a country in its own right.

The Royal Family is popular in Wales as polls show, but surely it was disrespectful and bad judgement at the least, which may rebound in the future, to appoint a new Prince of Wales without prior consultation.

Mollygo Fri 16-Sept-22 13:21:17

volver

Please don't be so insulting. I'm sure the Queen wouldn't have liked it.

????

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 13:22:28

What is the story with the recurring badger?

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:33:45

Germanshepherdsmum

volver
The Welsh language isn’t ignored, volver. If you’ve been to Wales in recent years you will see that the Welsh language is used above English on road signs, police cars etc.
Who in England regards the Welsh as serfs?

The Welsh language is definitely not ignored. In most places, in communications, Welsh is first, English second.

It's compulsory up to GCSE level too.

JaneJudge Fri 16-Sept-22 13:37:39

maybe the badgers speak Welsh

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 13:39:16

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 13:40:02

The Queen doesn't look too impressed with badgers. Keeping her distance.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 13:41:48

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

Who's "she"?

The badger's mother?

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:43:42

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

There are several Welsh medium and bilingual schools in Wales. Some of the DGD's friends attend them.
Welsh started being taught again in schools about 30 years ago.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 13:45:16

My mother spoke only Welsh until she was 9 when she went away to boarding school in Surrey. By the time she was 10 she had been sent back home to Aberaeron because she refused to understand the teachers!

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:45:50

JaneJudge

maybe the badgers speak Welsh

I'll ask the one that trots across our road sometimes ? ?

icanhandthemback Fri 16-Sept-22 13:48:56

Good post, tickingbird on Fri 16-Sep-22 10:10:30. I have never thought ill of anybody from the other nations making up the UK and I just find it really difficult to understand the depth of dislike from some people based on a history we had no control of.

Thegrandmarniter Fri 16-Sept-22 14:17:44

I don’t hate the English, I married one of them. I don’t hate anybody. The events of the past are just that, in the past. I’m not anti royal either, I like William and Catherine, but I really don’t want an English Prince to be called Prince of Wales. He’s prince of England, or Prince of the United Kingdom. Wales, Scotland and N Ireland do not have their own monarchies, we all share the Windsors. To make the eldest son of the monarch Prince of Wales started as an insult to the Welsh, a constant reminder that the Welsh are a conquered nation. I’m certain that is no longer the case, KC made that obvious on his walkabout today, there was genuine affection shown, and he addressed the Sennedd in Welsh too which was a lovely mark of respect. So why continue so a totally unnecessary put down to Wales by continuing that tradition. It rankles.

Elegran Fri 16-Sept-22 14:26:06

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

Who's "she"?

The badger's mother?

"She" usually refers back, grammatically, to a female mentioned previously. I think that was you, Volver. It is not likely that the child of GSM's friends will change her views on the welsh language.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:28:17

I thought I was being funny. Guess not. ?

english.stackexchange.com/questions/403263/whos-she-the-cats-mother

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 14:36:47

It’s a tad repetitive to say ‘the child’ twice in quick succession don’t you think volver? Pronouns are handy things.

I’ve known about the cat’s mother since I was a small child, no explanation required.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:41:43

You could have addressed me directly, as you are doing now. That would have been less patronising, instead of using the third person.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 14:50:45

Oh I see, I should have said volver twice. Why is it patronising to use your username in one sentence and your pronoun in the next? Are you finally losing it?

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 14:51:19

Rather obvious that this thread is on the hit list of threads to
be deleted,

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 14:52:26

Oh, not another one!

#Brenda

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:54:30

Oh good grief...

In the final paragraph you speak about me as if I am not there and you use the third person to do so. Its rude and (word of the week) disrespectful.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

I'll rewrite it for you.

Perhaps volver you might change your views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though I doubt you watched it.

Do we understand now?

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 14:57:15

Yes Brenda, another one