What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

Callistemon21

^born 1284. at Caernarfon Castle^
He was Welsh, then.

Isn't there a story that the Welsh wanted a Prince of Wales who was born in Wales and spoke no English? So Edward replied that if he gave them a Prince born in Wales and speaking no English would they accept him? Cue cheers from the Welsh - so he produced his baby son.

I'm totally nauseated by the lot of them. Time to go, Windsors! Definitely a remnant of a feudal past and I am NOT a subject but a citizen, thanks. Why do so many people want a rich family to adore and worship? Why do they love being subservient? I find the whole set up humiliating and ridiculous.

Oh, can you not just wait at least until after the funeral, Rowantree?

No, I can't. Why should I?

We aren't in North Korea, though sometimes I wonder....

Strange language Rowantree. Who has said they “adore and worship” them?
Humiliating is seeing the appalling behaviour of people who give the country a bad name by being nasty about a person who has died, and towards a family who has lost a loved one.
Ridiculous is your opinion which you are entitled to have.
If all the people of Wales rise up in rebellion against having a “Prince of Wales” then I guess the the appointment would be discarded. I can’t speak for all the Welsh people so I don’t know their feelings.
I suspect that what will happen is, as with the RF, opinions will range from happy to have them there, indifferent as to whether they are there or not or totally anti and those opinions will continue to be expressed on GN, MN, Twitter etc. etc.

There's adoration and worship wall-to-wall on the media. People distraught as if the woman was a family member or close friend. She wasn't. Mass hysteria IMO.

Oh....and 'give it a rest' is what I sigh every time I switch on the news for the last few days. It's as if nothing else mattered .

Adoration, worship, distraught, strange language to use. I haven’t seen that.
Evidently people are not allowed to express their sorrow in ways you don’t like. Fortunately they’ll never have to feel the burden of your disapproval.

Do we really know that the matter has not already been discussed with the Welsh powers that be?

I’m Welsh and I don’t see the point of having an English Prince of Wales, or at least let the Welsh vote on it. (No offence to the English)
I think in these modern times we don’t need all these dukes and duchess’s either.

Rowantree

There's adoration and worship wall-to-wall on the media. People distraught as if the woman was a family member or close friend. She wasn't. Mass hysteria IMO.

These were my feelings after the death of the Princess of Wales.
I still don't "get" what that was all about to be honest.

I’m a monarchist but don’t ‘adore and worship’ the monarch or anyone else on this earth, nor am I subservient to anybody. You have a peculiar turn of phrase and strange ideas Rowantree. As for the tv, use the off button as I do.

No comparison between the public reaction following the deaths of the Queen and Diana, the latter was embarrassing hysteria No comparison between the public reaction following the death of the Queen and Diana, the latter was embarrassing hysteria ,

People all over the UK have cared enough about the Queen to turn out in their hundreds of thousands, including in Wales and Scotland. I can’t imagine why they would do that unless they were invested in the monarchy. It’s not just media hype that’s behind the response, people have been leaving flowers and tributes, and turning out because they cared. I don’t see the people being hysterical in any way, just sad. Your personal opinion doesn’t change the reality of the situation Rowantree.

I started this thread to ask about the imposition of a Prince of Wales on the Welsh, and what the role entailed, so thank you to everyone who has answered my questions.

There is a difference between the Royal family giving themselves made-up titles like Duke of Sussex, or Cambridge, and actually naming a person Prince of Wales, which I understand was historically the ruler of Wales.

Incidentally if the Queen's cortege had gone by the end of my road, I would have turned out to see it. (It didn't) That doesn't make me invested in the monarchy, just interested in observing historical events.

volver

I started this thread to ask about the imposition of a Prince of Wales on the Welsh, and what the role entailed, so thank you to everyone who has answered my questions.

There is a difference between the Royal family giving themselves made-up titles like Duke of Sussex, or Cambridge, and actually naming a person Prince of Wales, which I understand was historically the ruler of Wales.

Incidentally if the Queen's cortege had gone by the end of my road, I would have turned out to see it. (It didn't) That doesn't make me invested in the monarchy, just interested in observing historical events.

You may be right that some people have been watching the coffin procession out of that motivation volver, but sending a tribute or flowers is beyond idle curiosity in my opinion, and I can’t believe that everybody who has attended is just nosey. I’ve been surprised at how many people have been leaving tributes and turning out for events in Wales, it’s made me realise just how loved she was by so many people. I’m ambivalent about the monarchy myself, but the national mood at present is very pro royalist.

PS and the Welsh do like Prince William, which I think will make a difference to how they perceive the Prince of Wales title being given to him. It’s like with politics, most won’t care enough to look beyond if they like him or not,

most won’t care enough to look beyond if they like him or not

And therein lies the problem.

Also, I don't categorise being interested in observing historical events as being nosey. But I do see how many people are turning out to lay flowers etc. In a country where there is at least 50% support for a monarchy, that shouldn't come as a surprise.

I’m not a fan of a hereditary monarchy, but appreciate that the Queen’s death is a significant historical occasion and one that it is important to recognise, and of course many want to show their love and appreciation for this long lived Queen.

I don’t agree that all those who are turning out in their thousands are necessarily “invested” in the Monarchy, but they want to acknowledge and take part in this historical event.

I believe that this country is on the cusp of change, where we will have to accept that we are no longer a big player on the world stage, our hitherto prosperity will wane, and where the importance and influence of the monarchy will decline.

Crikey! That's dispiriting Farzanah. True though.

volver

^most won’t care enough to look beyond if they like him or not^

And therein lies the problem.

Also, I don't categorise being interested in observing historical events as being nosey. But I do see how many people are turning out to lay flowers etc. In a country where there is at least 50% support for a monarchy, that shouldn't come as a surprise.

It’s only ‘a problem’ if you see it as one though volver, isn’t it? There’s no doubt that many millions of people felt great affection for the Queen herself, and whether the national mood turns against Charles and/or William only time will tell. I stick by the belief that most people in the UK are conservative (with a small c), and if C&W stick by what they are doing about slimming the Royal Family costs to the nation down, they will stay, whatever noises the republican lobby makes because familiarity is comfortable.
I do really think it’s nosey just to go and watch a historical event because you can rather than because you care about it - particularly if it’s a hearse or viewing a coffin. I don’t get the motivation behind people doing that, I definitely wouldn’t, just so I could say ‘I was there’ - but each to their own (I’m not suggesting you would either!)

Farzanah

Perhaps Owain Glyndwr will rise once more to defend Wales from the threat of the English Prince.

The last welsh Prince of Wales. A visit to his parliament building is well worth while. Amazing how many of his plans for Wales (before the English killed him), are now realised.

No, it’s a problem because, as an American friend put it

… "this particular rich family can be trusted to run things because... well they just can, I mean look how clean and fancy they are" isn't a great basis for a system of government.

It’s only ‘a problem’ if you see it as one though volver, isn’t it?

People don't mind having someone imposed on them because he's a nice bloke? That's OK until it's not a nice bloke.

It's really not all about money, either.