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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Pantglas2 Mon 12-Sept-22 16:14:20

Well if the Spanish can put up with the likes of Juan Carlos and move seamlessly to Felipe I’m sure us Welsh can tolerate young William for a year before deciding to get rid!

And no, we don’t want a political PoW, magnificent though Sheen’s acting skills are!

Anniebach Mon 12-Sept-22 16:37:56

I want Michael Sheen, a daft question needs a daft answer

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 16:43:44

Anniebach

I want Michael Sheen, a daft question needs a daft answer

But he's far too hairy! (See other thread complaining about the King ?)

Grany Mon 12-Sept-22 16:43:51

Declaring a new Prince of Wales with no discussion with the people of Wales wasn’t right

nation.cymru/opinion/declaring-a-new-prince-of-wales-with-no-discussion-with-the-people-of-wales-wasnt-right/

Opinion, thought could have waited, done in haste.

Thegrandmarniter Mon 12-Sept-22 16:47:23

If not Michael Sheen, then Huw Edwards. Sorry I’ll shut up now. I sense this thread coming to an end. What a good one. Well done Volver.

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 16:49:58

Declaring a new Prince of Wales with no discussion with the people of Wales wasn’t right

That's just the opinion of the little-known Ifan Morgan Jones.

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 16:50:44

Thegrandmarniter

If not Michael Sheen, then Huw Edwards. Sorry I’ll shut up now. I sense this thread coming to an end. What a good one. Well done Volver.

Now you're talking - Huw! ?

Casdon Mon 12-Sept-22 16:51:35

volver

I think then the response will be something like, "well its been working fine for a year so why change it?"

Its never the right time for some.

But there were some illuminating answers, that don't call for revolution. We have to talk about things, not keep quiet because its considered by some as "not the right time."

Why, when it just puts peoples backs up and makes their position more entrenched? That’s what Mark Drakeford is saying, I agree with him. What would happen if it was debated with the people of Wales now and there was say, a referendum, would be to keep with tradition, because that is the national mood.

grannyrebel7 Mon 12-Sept-22 16:55:09

I'm Welsh and I love having a Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't see a problem with it. In fact I think it's an honour that the Scottish and Irish don't have. I don't mind that they're both English.

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 16:56:36

Now this is a serious question, before I get accused of fomenting insurrection...

Why is it an honour grannyrebel7?

Fleurpepper Mon 12-Sept-22 17:07:53

Rowantree

There's adoration and worship wall-to-wall on the media. People distraught as if the woman was a family member or close friend. She wasn't. Mass hysteria IMO.

Thought just the same at the time of Diana.

There is quiet, deep respect

and this, mass hysteria. I am pretty sure the Queen would have hated it.

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 17:09:05

I don't understand the clapping.

At one time it would be a bowed head and silence as a hearse passed by.

Aveline Mon 12-Sept-22 17:10:37

I disagree. No 'mass hysteria' in the crowds I joined in Edinburgh. Just quiet respect. The atmosphere was very pleasant and certainly not hysterical. Quite solemn and striking as the hearse passed by.

AGAA4 Mon 12-Sept-22 17:14:04

I don't feel honoured to have a prince of Wales. I have nothing against William but honoured? Not at all.

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 17:14:11

Aveline

I disagree. No 'mass hysteria' in the crowds I joined in Edinburgh. Just quiet respect. The atmosphere was very pleasant and certainly not hysterical. Quite solemn and striking as the hearse passed by.

I haven't seen any hysterical sobbing or mawkish behaviour as there was when Diana died.
Those poor boys, having to comfort people who never knew their mother.

Anniebach Mon 12-Sept-22 17:37:17

I dislike the clapping but there certainly was no hysteria today.

The hysteria for Diana was really awful, and as for -
‘Your country needs you’ to the Queen , what for ?

Mollygo Mon 12-Sept-22 18:09:03

grannyrebel7

I'm Welsh and I love having a Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't see a problem with it. In fact I think it's an honour that the Scottish and Irish don't have. I don't mind that they're both English.

GR7, You should have said that in your opinion it’s a honour. You aren’t allowed think things like that on GN. I was going to say you’ll be jumped on for saying it, but you already have been.
You are much safer saying you don’t think it’s an honour.

Aveline Mon 12-Sept-22 18:43:08

Mollygo - so true ?

Anniebach Mon 12-Sept-22 18:46:40

True Mollygo

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 19:03:58

Mollygo

grannyrebel7

I'm Welsh and I love having a Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't see a problem with it. In fact I think it's an honour that the Scottish and Irish don't have. I don't mind that they're both English.

GR7, You should have said that in your opinion it’s a honour. You aren’t allowed think things like that on GN. I was going to say you’ll be jumped on for saying it, but you already have been.
You are much safer saying you don’t think it’s an honour.

What it comes down to for me is this; if someone on a discussion forum says something is an honour, they should be expecting someone to ask them why its a honour.

A person can think anything they like, but they should expect to be asked to enter into discussion about it on a discussion forum. Of course, if they don't want to discuss it, they are under no obligation to answer any questions about it at all. So to summarise for the hard of thinking, anyone can say what they like.

However I do find it infantile that people try to pretend that asking someone a straightforward question is jumping on them. Maybe its me, but I don't just act on my feelings and on sentiment, I try to understand why people think a certain way.

Please don't try to pretend you're not allowed to think what you like MollyGo, while trying to mock me as you go; it really is dreadfully juvenile and transparent.

Mollygo Mon 12-Sept-22 19:27:29

Please don't try to pretend you're not allowed to think what you like MollyGo, while trying to mock me as you go; it really is dreadfully juvenile and transparent.
I didn’t know I was doing that but if that’s how you see it, I’ve obviously learnt a lot from your expertise in doing exactly that Volver.

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 19:28:18

You obviously haven't learnt how to use quotation marks.

AGAA4 Mon 12-Sept-22 19:52:04

Interesting thread. Thought provoking I you are Welsh.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 12-Sept-22 19:52:16

Well Mollygo I’m in good company if you’re juvenile. I was told to grow up.

AGAA4 Mon 12-Sept-22 19:52:33

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