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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Mollygo Mon 12-Sept-22 14:46:48

I have a choice about going to see the RF just as much as going to see a football match. Are the we that you mention not permitted to allow this to happen?
Who is going to make the new rules that do not “allow” this?
Will the rules be unanimous from both sides of the discussion or will only the new conditions that you approve of be used?
What is the point of the Prince of Wales?
If the Welsh (of which I have a sizeable heritage, though not so great as my Scottish heritage) are, or aren’t happy about it, then they are entitled to make their feelings known, as some already have.

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 14:49:28

What is the point of the Prince of Wales?

What is the point of A Prince of Wales? is what I asked.

I asked the question and some have taken the time to engage in conversation about it. Some have become inexplicably irritated.

Thegrandmarniter Mon 12-Sept-22 14:51:26

I agree Casdon that Mark Drakeford has probably got it right, but I wasn’t making a sweeping statement about what the people of Wales want. How could I know without a referendum? I maintain that Wales needs a Prince as much as the Scots and Irish do.

Normandygirl Mon 12-Sept-22 14:51:37

Mollygo

We aren’t elevating anybody. I have nothing to do with it and their position existed before I was born.
Elevating footballers, film stars, ‘celebrities’ who appear out of nowhere and get paid immense sums which directly affect me (cost of attending football matches with DGS, or paying vastly inflated prices to take family to the cinema, or seeing my licence fee going to fund ‘celebrities) worries me far more.

I don’t get the ‘rule over us all’ phrase, Normandy Girl. Exactly how does the RF rule over us all? Do explain that please.
Now if you’re talking about Vladimir Putin ruling over Russia or even our “wonderful government” ruling over us, that would make more sense.

Where to begin......
The government itself is appointed by the monarch and can only exists by royal appointment. All Mp's must swear allegiance to the King or Queen.
The monarch still retains the power to dissolve parliament and any decisions made by parliament require the assent of the sovereign.
The sovereign remains constitutionally empowered to exercise the royal prerogative against the advice of the prime minister and cabinet.
The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England
The national anthem itself proclaims that the sovereign
" reigns over us" which means that he or she exercises authority over others.
Do you not believe the words you sing?

Casdon Mon 12-Sept-22 15:08:57

People aren’t answering the question you posed volver because it’s a rhetorical question, isn’t it? It depends entirely on your personal viewpoint as to whether you see any value in the position, which depends on whether you value the role of the monarchy or not. The original purpose was to sweeten the pill of the English crown taking over Wales, 700+ years ago by giving Wales the status of having its own Prince. Memories aren’t 700+ years long, and although we have retained our own cultures and traditions, the original rationale for the post of Prince of Wales is no longer of interest to the majority, we are where we are. The purpose of the role going forward will be what William makes it, and that is what matters, whether ultimately Wales becomes an independent country or not will not necessarily affect the role of Prince of Wales either.
I personally think that the opportunity is there for him.

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 15:33:47

It was only partly rhetorical Casdon because some people keep saying what a good Prince of Wales William will be, and others are saying its just a title and doesn't matter. So it is a puzzle to me.

I really was interested in the replies but obviously asking any question at all about the RF at the moment is anathema.

Esmay Mon 12-Sept-22 15:40:56

At the moment , I think that any discussion about the relevance of the Royal Family is disrespectful .

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 15:43:11

Esmay

At the moment , I think that any discussion about the relevance of the Royal Family is disrespectful .

It was not about the relevance of the royal family.

But if it had been, I would still defend it.

Thegrandmarniter Mon 12-Sept-22 15:43:57

Michael Sheen should be Prince of Wales.

Esmay Mon 12-Sept-22 15:44:58

In which case , you perhaps made an unfortunate choice of title .

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 15:45:32

Esmay

In which case , you perhaps made an unfortunate choice of title .

I chose the title to encourage discussion.

Think that worked.

Callistemon21 Mon 12-Sept-22 15:45:34

Thegrandmarniter

Michael Sheen should be Prince of Wales.

Oh please no!
I don't mind him but ....

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 15:48:36

On the basis of this alone...

twitter.com/welshfootball_/status/1569235564695793664

Pantglas2 Mon 12-Sept-22 15:48:36

But that’s the beauty of difference of opinion volver - no need for puzzlement!

The Spanish chose to reinstate their Royal family and most I speak to are ambivalent about the amount of relevance they have in the minutiae of their everyday lives.

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 15:49:24

As I asked above - that was Franco's doing, wasn't it?

jacqrose Mon 12-Sept-22 15:49:47

Grany

We will now begin to pay William more than £20m a year.
Duchy of Cornwall worth 1billion passes to William

And no inheritance tax paid either

Esmay Mon 12-Sept-22 15:50:01

You certainly opened a can of worms with me !

Casdon Mon 12-Sept-22 15:50:49

Thegrandmarniter

Michael Sheen should be Prince of Wales.

Or President perhaps? He’s certainly good at rousing speeches, did you see him on A League Their Own?

Barmeyoldbat Mon 12-Sept-22 15:52:19

Well that just goes to show it’s ok for some, look at the grief I got when I said I protected my home from having to pay care home fees so I could pass it onto my gc

Thegrandmarniter Mon 12-Sept-22 15:53:07

Before I’m shot down, I know Michael Sheen wouldn’t want it, he’s argued so eloquently against it.

Pantglas2 Mon 12-Sept-22 15:59:09

Initially volver - the people have had 5 decades to change their minds so Franco knew he was doing the right thing obviously!

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 16:00:32

Franco knew he was doing the right thing

There's a sentence I never thought I'd read. ?

Anniebach Mon 12-Sept-22 16:00:49

Definitely Michael Sheen

Casdon Mon 12-Sept-22 16:02:47

volver

It was only partly rhetorical Casdon because some people keep saying what a good Prince of Wales William will be, and others are saying its just a title and doesn't matter. So it is a puzzle to me.

I really was interested in the replies but obviously asking any question at all about the RF at the moment is anathema.

I do think that’s right volver, it’s just not the right time for everybody to fully enter into a debate. We will have a better idea of how the land lies in a year’s time when the present high emotion has calmed. Not that it was wrong to ask the question, just that the answer is likely to be tempered by experience. If you remember, why not revive the thread then and see how people feel?

volver Mon 12-Sept-22 16:06:36

I think then the response will be something like, "well its been working fine for a year so why change it?"

Its never the right time for some.

But there were some illuminating answers, that don't call for revolution. We have to talk about things, not keep quiet because its considered by some as "not the right time."