Another Benefit of Brexit?

Reply to Dinahmo

Generally speaking, we think that the Civil Service has always been against Brexit and that the current arrangements suit simply because when the next government is in power, re entry into the EU is simpler.

Who are 'we', ronib?

We can change too! Remember this one

DAVID FROST, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE SCOTCH WHISKY ASSOCIATION

‘As an industry we live on our exports. Scotch whisky is the biggest single contributor to Britain’s trade balance in goods. Ninety percent of our production – £4bn a year – is exported. About a third of that goes to the EU. The single set of rules in the single market makes it easier for us to operate across all of Europe. ''

And Hannan, when he said 'we are not even thinking of leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union'!

MaizieD

Who are 'we', ronib?

Prefer not to say

Pretty low!

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ronib

MaizieD

Who are 'we', ronib?

Prefer not to say

I rather think you've well outed yourself already, ronib...

I don’t wish to share

which is why I wrote 'pretty low'

This is not the the sort of site where it’s a safe space to give all information. Why don’t you examine the argument rather than attack the messenger?

ronib

Generally speaking, we think that the Civil Service has always been against Brexit and that the current arrangements suit simply because when the next government is in power, re entry into the EU is simpler.

Not at all attacking the messenger. I find it 'low'/strange, that you are prepared to make the above comment and not be prepared to say who you are talking about.

This is silly. We also think that the Civil Service should never have been given responsibility for Brexit but the task should have been given to an independent body. It might have had better outcomes.

“an independent body” - isn’t that what the civil service is. Is such a body possible.? Well Brexit is proving a success - for Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Berlin….

More or less what Farage is saying. Are you a supporter of his?

Hope that question’s not for me fleurpepper

LOL nope

I hesitate to give him space, but here he goes, as Bercow says 'nonsense on stilts'

youtu.be/nYn2atlKrK8

ronib

Generally speaking, we think that the Civil Service has always been against Brexit and that the current arrangements suit simply because when the next government is in power, re entry into the EU is simpler.

😄😄😄. You simply can’t make silly statements like that without any backup.

The civil service has served this country well for over 100 years. It is non-politicised and serves every government of all colours. It is the management of our country, from cradle to grave, from health, education, environment, flood management, security, policing, defence and so on. To suggest that it was not up to dealing with Brexit is bizarre.

Your suggestion that an “independent body” should have managed Brexit does not suggest to me a non-politicised body, but one who would be favourable to Brexit in all its disastrous glory, without speaking truth to power. Civil servants have a century of experience to draw on and when they speak truth to power, one hopes that the minister take cognisant of the advice. Truss chose not to - to disastrous results.

Civil servants may well advise government of the day on technical issues - of which I’m sure there were many, but when polititians make a decision they put it into action. They are going to get paid wether they agree with the decisions or not.

Yes

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You haven't actually made a case to 'rest', ronib.

Don’t blame the civil service for the mess! Blame the bunch of numpties in our government who believed their own lies. Brexit was never deliverable successfully.

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You are equating the civil service with the government, which is entirely incorrect.