Another Benefit of Brexit?

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

Honestly you simply don’t get it. Just sit and think the whole thing through.

It might help if I suggest that by “blaming” the CS you are in fact politicising it.

The CS is merely an arm of the executive - think of it as a machine - it has no choice in the matter. It can advise, but not refuse. It is there to carry out government policies. Imagine if it refused!

Boris Johnson and Frost

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

ronib

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

No. It is the responsibility of ministers to set policy and manage their departments in the civil service to ensure policies are implemented. This is the first parliament with such a high number of ministers who are incapable of doing so, the civil service cannot be blamed for minister incompetence. One of the biggest issues is that with five PMs and numerous ministers since 2010 and no coherent strategies which have carried through, everything keeps changing, so the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing. Again, not the civil servants fault.

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...

Katie59

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

I'm sure Sir Humphrey would have 'steered' him in the right direction..

MaizieD

Katie59

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

I'm sure Sir Humphrey would have 'steered' him in the right direction..

Rudderless is what we have had.

usuallyright

Stop bleating about the different situations which have affected the whole world, and they surely were not caused by us taking the most sensible step for Great Britain, of leaving the EU.
We are now, in general terms, able to do what is best for Britain, except where the vindictive nature of the EU is still attempting to interfere with us running our great country, to the benefit of Great Britain, and most importantly Northern Ireland.
Incidentally I did vote for Brexit, and was highly delighted with the result when it came. Thank you David Cameron for giving us the most welcome opportunity to escape from the clutches of the EU. TTFN

You may think it was a sensible step for Great Britain but definitely not for UK or have you forgotten about Northern Ireland? I live in NI and, apart from it being difficult getting goods in from GB the one political party here who wanted Brexit are now complaining about the protocol and have brought down the government. The protocol which Boris Johnson agreed to.
At a personal level it's causing my husband much frustration that he can no longer get seeds in from some gardening suppliers in GB and there's definitely a lot of goods no longer available in the supermarkets. I've always had a British passport but very glad now to have been able to apply for an Irish one.

ronib

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

No, the civil service doesn't set policies. Politicians do.

MaizieD

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...

Two people Johnson and Frost fronted the withdrawal agreement, agreed? So did two people drive a horse and carriage through the entire Civil Service mandarin class? Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You don't have a case. You'd be better off just dumping it rather than resting it.

ronib

MaizieD

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...

Two people Johnson and Frost fronted the withdrawal agreement, agreed? So did two people drive a horse and carriage through the entire Civil Service mandarin class? Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?

You really don't have a clue. How many senior civil servants do you actually know or have in your family?

Four

At what level?

‘Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?’

ronib if you indeed have civil servants in your family you would for sure know that it is a regular occurrence for civil servants’ advice to be ignored by ministers.

ronib

Four

At director/permanent secretary level?

Whitewavemark2

At what level?

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The Withdrawl agreement was written by the EU they gave away nothing, after the election slogan “get Brexit done” he and no option but to sign what was offered, having been assured he could change it.
He then spent the next year trying to wriggle out of what he signed and got absolutely nowhere.

Katie59

The Withdrawl agreement was written by the EU they gave away nothing, after the election slogan “get Brexit done” he and no option but to sign what was offered, having been assured he could change it.
He then spent the next year trying to wriggle out of what he signed and got absolutely nowhere.

Interesting interpretation, Katie59

I copied this statement from the Civil Service website.

To Growstuff the quote didn’t work re role of Civil Service

Whitewavemark2

Fleurpepper

Whitewavemark2

Interestingly, I was reading today, that the Tories will never be able to shake off the image of themselves as the Brexit party, and as the situation gets worse in the U.K. the Tory party will go down with it.

Heseltine in the Lords today said it so perfectly and with such humour and irony.

Oh wish I’d heard🙂

Here it is. A bit embarrassing for the old chap asleep next to him, but

www.facebook.com/groups/164264540717524/permalink/1566625310481433/

ronib

Whitewavemark2

At what level?

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